35 Large RJs coming back?
#1061
Banned
Joined: Apr 2014
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It’s more rjs in the sky on any given day than mainline ac and there is something seriously wrong with that
#1062
Really got furloughed
Joined: Aug 2015
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From: Gramercy Riffs
#1063
And for Pete's sake, STOP getting money for contract scope violations. Get real compensation. Rebalance the production, immediately.
#1064
Can't abide NAI
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 12,078
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Strategy to win national elections:
(1) Maintain a database of reps & votes. Identify the swing voters (Regionals, smaller airlines and Canadians).
(2) Look among your new hires pilots to identify friends of swing voters & recruit them to attend the BOD in various capacities
(3) Hold those who attend accountable. Report conversations back to the "war room." No swing voter should ever drink or eat alone. Buy pizza for underfunded MECs. Talk about their issues. Find out what they need for their group. The regional pilots and minority groups (smaller # of pilots) take the BOD very seriously.
(4) Provide feedback to your candidate and if they are smart, they will craft their presentations to satisfy the swing votes. Your candidate needs to be up at 4:30 to 5am; meet voters before breakfast when they are fresh.
(5) Loop back around your contacts. Get vote commitments. Your adversaries are playing the same game. You will lose your votes if you do not maintain the relationship.
(6) Identify voters who did not keep their word using your database tools. Talk to them. Get your candidate to talk to them.
We did the opposite: We fired the people who had run successful campaigns, isolated and offended them to the point that they ran a candidate against our own candidate. Then we took a bunch of military bro's who stood around and talked to each other. The perception was that Delta had gone stupid and was no longer effective. The swing voters went to FedEx (which fielded a pretty weak candidate) Either of the Delta candidates would have been better. It was ours to lose and we took ourselves out.
#1065
Agreed. To your point:
Strategy to win national elections:
(1) Maintain a database of reps & votes. Identify the swing voters (Regionals, smaller airlines and Canadians).
(2) Look among your new hires pilots to identify friends of swing voters & recruit them to attend the BOD in various capacities
(3) Hold those who attend accountable. Report conversations back to the "war room." No swing voter should ever drink or eat alone. Buy pizza for underfunded MECs. Talk about their issues. Find out what they need for their group. The regional pilots and minority groups (smaller # of pilots) take the BOD very seriously.
(4) Provide feedback to your candidate and if they are smart, they will craft their presentations to satisfy the swing votes. Your candidate needs to be up at 4:30 to 5am; meet voters before breakfast when they are fresh.
(5) Loop back around your contacts. Get vote commitments. Your adversaries are playing the same game. You will lose your votes if you do not maintain the relationship.
(6) Identify voters who did not keep their word using your database tools. Talk to them. Get your candidate to talk to them.
We did the opposite: We fired the people who had run successful campaigns, isolated and offended them to the point that they ran a candidate against our own candidate. Then we took a bunch of military bro's who stood around and talked to each other. The perception was that Delta had gone stupid and was no longer effective. The swing voters went to FedEx (which fielded a pretty weak candidate) Either of the Delta candidates would have been better. It was ours to lose and we took ourselves out.
Strategy to win national elections:
(1) Maintain a database of reps & votes. Identify the swing voters (Regionals, smaller airlines and Canadians).
(2) Look among your new hires pilots to identify friends of swing voters & recruit them to attend the BOD in various capacities
(3) Hold those who attend accountable. Report conversations back to the "war room." No swing voter should ever drink or eat alone. Buy pizza for underfunded MECs. Talk about their issues. Find out what they need for their group. The regional pilots and minority groups (smaller # of pilots) take the BOD very seriously.
(4) Provide feedback to your candidate and if they are smart, they will craft their presentations to satisfy the swing votes. Your candidate needs to be up at 4:30 to 5am; meet voters before breakfast when they are fresh.
(5) Loop back around your contacts. Get vote commitments. Your adversaries are playing the same game. You will lose your votes if you do not maintain the relationship.
(6) Identify voters who did not keep their word using your database tools. Talk to them. Get your candidate to talk to them.
We did the opposite: We fired the people who had run successful campaigns, isolated and offended them to the point that they ran a candidate against our own candidate. Then we took a bunch of military bro's who stood around and talked to each other. The perception was that Delta had gone stupid and was no longer effective. The swing voters went to FedEx (which fielded a pretty weak candidate) Either of the Delta candidates would have been better. It was ours to lose and we took ourselves out.
#1066
Line Holder
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 384
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#1067
Can't abide NAI
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 12,078
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
The Endeavor Flow agreement is out and it is moronic.
Why the **** will ALPA's leaders not coordinate through ALPA's President like you are supposed to under our association's Admin Manual?
- Delta pilots subject to discipline under the Endeavor PWA
- Sets out bilateral and concomitant seniority across carriers but states that the agreement cannot be used in a single carrier proceeding
- Is basically voluntary for management to comply with
- Meet & Confer if management spins off Endeavor
- Endeavor's new hires not covered
- and this gem at the end "the parties agree that this Agreement in its entirety shall be rendered void and without force or effect if the Delta/ALPA System Board of Adjustment or a court of appropriate jurisdiction does not permit Delta to operate 223 76-seat aircraft under the Delta PWA"
Why the **** will ALPA's leaders not coordinate through ALPA's President like you are supposed to under our association's Admin Manual?
#1068
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 165
Likes: 0
The Endeavor Flow agreement is out and it is moronic.
Why the **** will ALPA's leaders not coordinate through ALPA's President like you are supposed to under our association's Admin Manual?
- Delta pilots subject to discipline under the Endeavor PWA
- Sets out bilateral and concomitant seniority across carriers but states that the agreement cannot be used in a single carrier proceeding
- Is basically voluntary for management to comply with
- Meet & Confer if management spins off Endeavor
- Endeavor's new hires not covered
- and this gem at the end "the parties agree that this Agreement in its entirety shall be rendered void and without force or effect if the Delta/ALPA System Board of Adjustment or a court of appropriate jurisdiction does not permit Delta to operate 223 76-seat aircraft under the Delta PWA"
Why the **** will ALPA's leaders not coordinate through ALPA's President like you are supposed to under our association's Admin Manual?
#1069
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 5,529
Likes: 197
From: UNA
The Endeavor Flow agreement is out and it is moronic.
Why the **** will ALPA's leaders not coordinate through ALPA's President like you are supposed to under our association's Admin Manual?
- Delta pilots subject to discipline under the Endeavor PWA
- Sets out bilateral and concomitant seniority across carriers but states that the agreement cannot be used in a single carrier proceeding
- Is basically voluntary for management to comply with
- Meet & Confer if management spins off Endeavor
- Endeavor's new hires not covered
- and this gem at the end "the parties agree that this Agreement in its entirety shall be rendered void and without force or effect if the Delta/ALPA System Board of Adjustment or a court of appropriate jurisdiction does not permit Delta to operate 223 76-seat aircraft under the Delta PWA"
Why the **** will ALPA's leaders not coordinate through ALPA's President like you are supposed to under our association's Admin Manual?
#1070
Can't abide NAI
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 12,078
Likes: 15
From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Flown down = one of theirs to do with as they see fit.
The 9E guys made fun of this concern until I pointed out that at least a third of the flow downs would be their pilots who had flowed up. They agreed, better to be represented by the Delta MEC IAW with the Delta PWA if you are a Delta pilot.
My wife's PTA has stronger contract language for a spirit night at the snowcone place.
The 9E guys made fun of this concern until I pointed out that at least a third of the flow downs would be their pilots who had flowed up. They agreed, better to be represented by the Delta MEC IAW with the Delta PWA if you are a Delta pilot.
My wife's PTA has stronger contract language for a spirit night at the snowcone place.
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