As someone who grew up around unions, it is mind boggling that the head of a national union could sign an agreement that involves a unionized group under his purview, without their concurrence. Never been a fan on of DPA, but stuff like this is what keeps its spirit alive, albeit on life support.

 

I suspect you know but we don’t have a National union. The RLA forbids that. As far as the agreement are you saying Comair was right and DALPA had no right to restrict the size aircraft they flew?

 

Western has less than 12 planes flying that I’m aware of. As far as the rest we’re talking a very small percentage of flying. Last I checked FedEx had a A and B fund and a much higher percentage of wide body flying than DL. I think my point is to label because he was freight is ridiculous.

 

So we can stop sending them our dues money? I'd have to read up on the Comair thing. All I'm saying is that if an agreement has anything to do with the DALPA, then the head of the organization in which we send a ridiculous amount of cash, should get our concurrence.

 

Outsider view.

Right now, Delta wants the 35 RJs to cover the summer because of the way they screwed up with the covid pull down and left the airline under prepared for the comeback.

Soon, Delta won’t need them any more, and their reputation is ruthless. If the 9E pilots overplay their hand in this, they will end up exactly like Comair. This has all happened before. Those who don’t study history are doomed to repeat it.

Endeavor will be shuttered, and Delta will give the RJs to SkyWest and whatever startup they can find to work for bottom dollar. Mark my words.

 

This is going to seem harsh. I understand and fought the battle you are fighting for 20 years. Let me save you some lessons from a Doctorate in hard knocks.

You do realize DPA would have no seat at the table in negotiations involving Endeavor and Delta, right? ... ALPA would still be at the table on behalf of the Endeavor pilots.

The answer to your concern is not to weaken your own bargaining agent.

The Delta MEC (the Delta pilots) stated (if my understanding is correct) they have no objection to Endeavor signing a flow-through agreement. If you want to raise that objection it is up to YOU to raise YOUR CONCERN to your Reps and convince them that your concern is a problem for a majority of Delta pilots. That is YOUR job as a member and a director of your association, ALPA. If you lack the willingness, the effort, or the argument, that is your issue, not ALPA's.

An argument could be made that Endeavor's bargaining weakens 1 D. 11. of the Delta PWA. If you can convince anyone to care about pilots who are off the seniority list and who have no standing to file a grievance, then, you could make a case to the Delta MEC to request an Executive Board be convened to consider the President's authorization of Endeavor bargaining. I did this back when the initial SSP was written and it went exactly nowhere.

The DPA provides less power and control than you (we) currently have. Having your bargaining agent, ALPA, give up its seat at the table would literally result in you having no voice whatsoever in the Endeavor negotiations. Threatening ALPA with the DPA does not leverage your strength, it makes you a joke.

Your strength, if you choose to use it, is to lobby the MEC for action.

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Point 2: The Bartels administration and the MEC completely failed at ALPA's Board of Director's meetings and lost valuable leadership positions. If you want more power and influence at national, then support moderate administrators who focus on product instead of politics. The Kolbus crowd mistakes popularity on Chit Chat for strategy. They could not be more mistaken. There is a disciplined science to winning elections and gaining power.

 

If you sign on the ALPA portal and look up the governing documents of the our association the Constitution & Bylaws outlines the power of the President of the association in bargaining and Section 40 of the Admin Manual outlines the procedures to be used in scope bargaining. The entire Section 40 is a good read for understanding the mechanics of how negotiations are done.

 

um, we didn't have a seat at the table for the current endeavor negotiation.

 

SO how would DPA protect us exactly?

When I get those DPA pushers talking to me on a trip I always ask them this question. I have yet to hear an answer. Love it, hate it, ALPA is much stronger and gives us more power than DPA.

As I read all of this 9E stuff WRT flow, I really can't see why Joe would not be able to sign this. It is between Delta and 9E, 9E is represented by ALPA. The flow down I'm still trying to see how they are connecting to that in this agreement without DALPA involvement (so if anyone has good grasp to that piece I'm all ears).

We have filed a grievance on the restoration of the 35 rjs. That is the best route for us now. DPA would be a really bad move for us strategically.

 

He has no experience in our business. UAL, DAL and the majority of ALPA are not cargo haulers as a supplement to a trucking business.