They doing indoc classes every week?

 

It seems that way. Supposedly the biggest class ever right after Christmas

 

Anyone got the numbers from 12/14 or 12/21?

 

I don’t think there’s a 12/21, I think they made a mega class for 12/28. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

 

The drop for 12/14 was

23 NYC320B
11 NYC220B
7 NYC7ERB
3 NYC737B
6 DTW717B
4 ATL320B
4 ATL737B

 

44/58 is crazy. Given the number of NYC and not many people wanting to stay there, I imagine the seniority progression if you DO stay would be rather quick compared to ATL.

If you wanted to live elsewhere, would commuting be "less bad" since you could make a better schedule sooner?

Can you immediately bid for another domicile (or fleet?) after indoc if you haven't started training yet? This would only happen if there is an AE during that time?

 

The problem with NYC is that schedules tend to have poor commutability and almost everyone is a commuter, so it takes more relative seniority to get a good schedule. You can bid on any AE once on property (even in indoc). They happen irregularly, but usually 2-6 times per year. Once awarded it can take up to a year before you actually transfer to your new base/category. The seat lock (fleet bidding rules) are more complicated but have been well covered.

 

Just to add to what schwifty said, you can bid on another domicile on day 1 of indoc (should you be so lucky with timing), but only on the same equipment. These usually convert fairly quickly because there is no training involved. However, you cannot bid on a new fleet (equipment) because there is a 2 year "Category freeze" (aka seat lock - or more accurately, a bid lock), that can only be broken in a couple of specific circumstances.
1. As a NH, if you want to bid a domicile that does not have your original equipment, you can bid for that starting at 1 year, but any remaining NH seat lock is added to your new 2-year seat lock. IOW, you will be seat locked in that new equipment until 4 years on property.
2. Your very first Captain bid will break any seat lock. But again, any remaining seat lock is added to your new 2-year seat lock as a captain.
3. If a new equipment/domicile combination is opened, anyone can bid on it regardless of seat lock.

Keep in mind, per the PWA, if you still have a category freeze/seat lock on day 1 of the conversion window (usually the 1st of the month following bid closing), you cannot bid (other than to change domicile on the same equipment). The company can waive that at is sole discretion - it can happen, but not that common. Because we have infrequent and irregular bid cycles (4-5 per year on average), and the conversion windows are either 210 days or 365 days, it is possible to be awarded a bid to a new aircraft and/or domicile, but not actually convert until nearly 2 years on property anyway. Bid accordingly.

 

There's a 12/21 class. I know someone in it.

 

Great post but, because we are talking about new hires, the last portion of your post isn't quite accurate with regard to their ability to be awarded an AE. Based on the language of 22.G.2, a NH's ability to be awarded an AE with a remaining NH category freeze is not based upon the earliest conversion date of the AE, but rather the award date which would be the date the results are posted. A NH would have had to be on property 12 months + 1 day (or longer) on the date the award is posted in order to leave his/her NH category. Conversion dates for them are irrelevant.