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Old 12-20-2021, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15 View Post
Just to add to what schwifty said, you can bid on another domicile on day 1 of indoc (should you be so lucky with timing), but only on the same equipment. These usually convert fairly quickly because there is no training involved. However, you cannot bid on a new fleet (equipment) because there is a 2 year "Category freeze" (aka seat lock - or more accurately, a bid lock), that can only be broken in a couple of specific circumstances.
1. As a NH, if you want to bid a domicile that does not have your original equipment, you can bid for that starting at 1 year, but any remaining NH seat lock is added to your new 2-year seat lock. IOW, you will be seat locked in that new equipment until 4 years on property.
2. Your very first Captain bid will break any seat lock. But again, any remaining seat lock is added to your new 2-year seat lock as a captain.
3. If a new equipment/domicile combination is opened, anyone can bid on it regardless of seat lock.

Keep in mind, per the PWA, if you still have a category freeze/seat lock on day 1 of the conversion window (usually the 1st of the month following bid closing), you cannot bid (other than to change domicile on the same equipment). The company can waive that at is sole discretion - it can happen, but not that common. Because we have infrequent and irregular bid cycles (4-5 per year on average), and the conversion windows are either 210 days or 365 days, it is possible to be awarded a bid to a new aircraft and/or domicile, but not actually convert until nearly 2 years on property anyway. Bid accordingly.
One correction to note #1: you can bid to another aircraft in a base that has your current aircraft if you cannot hold your aircraft on the AE. So say you get awarded NYC 7ER, and you want SEA 7ER. If you can’t hold 7ER in SEA you can still be awarded any other airplane in SEA with the requisite added lock. Realistically with the massive hiring we have going on and openings in every base this won’t really come into play for quite a while (unless maybe we start getting new hires put into WB spots).
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Old 12-20-2021, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru View Post
One correction to note #1: you can bid to another aircraft in a base that has your current aircraft if you cannot hold your aircraft on the AE. So say you get awarded NYC 7ER, and you want SEA 7ER. If you can’t hold 7ER in SEA you can still be awarded any other airplane in SEA with the requisite added lock. Realistically with the massive hiring we have going on and openings in every base this won’t really come into play for quite a while (unless maybe we start getting new hires put into WB spots).
I don’t believe this is true….
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Old 12-20-2021, 07:08 AM
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I don’t believe this is true….
it is true

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Old 12-20-2021, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru View Post
One correction to note #1: you can bid to another aircraft in a base that has your current aircraft if you cannot hold your aircraft on the AE. So say you get awarded NYC 7ER, and you want SEA 7ER. If you can’t hold 7ER in SEA you can still be awarded any other airplane in SEA with the requisite added lock. Realistically with the massive hiring we have going on and openings in every base this won’t really come into play for quite a while (unless maybe we start getting new hires put into WB spots).
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I don’t believe this is true….
Originally Posted by Gone Flying View Post
it is true

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The key qualifier is "In the last 12 month of his category freeze".
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad View Post
I don’t think there’s a 12/21, I think they made a mega class for 12/28. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
32 in class 12/21

5 NYC 320
8 NYC 220
8 ATL 73N
5 ATL 320
6 DTW 717
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Old 12-20-2021, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter View Post
The key qualifier is "In the last 12 month of his category freeze".
I think the key qualifier is whether the NH can hold the same equipment in a different base. If you are a NYC7ERB but want to do SEA73NB and on that AE (12 months and 1 day after the NH's start date) the NH could have been awarded SEA7ERB, the NH is not eligible to be awarded SEA73NB, regardless if more than 12 months (but not 24 months) has passed since starting.
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Old 12-20-2021, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by S4User View Post
44/58 is crazy. Given the number of NYC and not many people wanting to stay there, I imagine the seniority progression if you DO stay would be rather quick compared to ATL.

If you wanted to live elsewhere, would commuting be "less bad" since you could make a better schedule sooner?
As you have noticed and as others have mentioned, you will get relative seniority faster there. At least for a while. As soon as you do start getting some seniority though (because people above you are bidding out ASAP) you will find that people below you are then also bidding out ASAP. And as you go up the list, the rate of bidding out decreases.

You will also need more seniority (especially as a commuter, but even as a "local" aka also a commuter but by car in most cases) because the domestic trips there are especially bad. Early report, late release, 3 airports to cover. No matter where you are on the reserve lists, you're always number 1 for something so you better always be ready.

NYC used to be a commuter's paradise even for relatively junior domestic. Then came the uncontrollable wildfires of the "optimizer" and its been scorched earth ever since.

The ER, even after it became a single category with 767 domestic, used to be significantly better almost all the time. Now its barely better some of the time.

All that said, if you have a flexibile mentality and can "roll with it" you'll be fine there and will at least sometimes notice your faster seniority bump. If you become a contract ninja, glued to your phone, on top of that flexible mentality, you'll actually be able to make some lemonade once in a while. And by the time you realize you can't take it anymore, you'll be able to bid out anyway.
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Old 12-20-2021, 11:51 AM
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Classes seem light for the stated goal anyone know if we are on track for the latest need statement?
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Old 12-20-2021, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf View Post
Classes seem light for the stated goal anyone know if we are on track for the latest need statement?
116 so far in December with “supposedly” a very large class on the 28th

116 does not include the 20 or so flow through that were previously withheld came over this month.

~450 since October 1
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Old 12-20-2021, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiki09 View Post
32 in class 12/21

5 NYC 320
8 NYC 220
8 ATL 73N
5 ATL 320
6 DTW 717

The NYC 73N drought begins!
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