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08-13-2025 | 05:18 PM
#5451
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From: NYC 7ERA
Is training really that costly they don't wanna hire more this year to keep the spreadsheet green?
How expensive is it really? Don't we own the sims and already have the instructors on payroll? Aren't we paying the light bill for that SIM to sit idle anyways? I seriously want to understand because it makes no sense at surface level.
How expensive is it really? Don't we own the sims and already have the instructors on payroll? Aren't we paying the light bill for that SIM to sit idle anyways? I seriously want to understand because it makes no sense at surface level.
This is what happens when you have peoples bonuses tied to metrics. Be it the MIP plan or things in individual C-Level contracts.
Saw it in other industries, see it here.
Somebody might have gotten a "reduce training costs by X" directive, with no impact on them if it screws the operations side up. Cut hiring, even if it hurts next year, no backfills on AEs, smaller AEs etc. While the sim and salary staff is basically overhead, less events for NSLIs, less pilots on training pay etc.
Metric made. Bonus collected.
Think of the D-0 over everything else stuff.
Bad NPS from cleaning jamming up passengers? Not thier problem.
Pilots dropping brake for a "stuck chock" that probably doesn't exist? Not their problem. Flight pay comes out of someone elses budget
Prioritize crews pushing outbound vs catching inbound? Again, A-0 isn't their metric, not their problem.
08-13-2025 | 05:55 PM
#5452
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I’m not so sure it has as much to do with posting “the most profitable year ever!” as it does with the fact that there are not nearly the number of planned deliveries happening.
-350X delayed at least a year
-321NEOs are coming, but a lot slower than originally planned
-330NEO deliveries winding down
-MAX10s delayed until who the hell even knows
…all while still sending 763ERs and some 752s to the desert.
What do we need to hire for other than attrition plus a little extra?
-350X delayed at least a year
-321NEOs are coming, but a lot slower than originally planned
-330NEO deliveries winding down
-MAX10s delayed until who the hell even knows
…all while still sending 763ERs and some 752s to the desert.
What do we need to hire for other than attrition plus a little extra?
08-13-2025 | 06:01 PM
#5453
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From: Big ones
08-13-2025 | 08:49 PM
#5454
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Is training really that costly they don't wanna hire more this year to keep the spreadsheet green?
How expensive is it really? Don't we own the sims and already have the instructors on payroll? Aren't we paying the light bill for that SIM to sit idle anyways? I seriously want to understand because it makes no sense at surface level.
How expensive is it really? Don't we own the sims and already have the instructors on payroll? Aren't we paying the light bill for that SIM to sit idle anyways? I seriously want to understand because it makes no sense at surface level.
08-14-2025 | 03:13 AM
#5455
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Is training really that costly they don't wanna hire more this year to keep the spreadsheet green?
How expensive is it really? Don't we own the sims and already have the instructors on payroll? Aren't we paying the light bill for that SIM to sit idle anyways? I seriously want to understand because it makes no sense at surface level.
How expensive is it really? Don't we own the sims and already have the instructors on payroll? Aren't we paying the light bill for that SIM to sit idle anyways? I seriously want to understand because it makes no sense at surface level.
08-14-2025 | 05:18 AM
#5456
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From: Petting Zoo
I personally love auto accept. I put in specific slips and the phone doesn't ring unless I'm getting the trip.
08-14-2025 | 05:33 AM
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I suppose it could be easier, but what is hard about toggling on/off? It's just changing two boxes from Yes/No, isn't it? I've seen the comment before, am I missing something?
I personally love auto accept. I put in specific slips and the phone doesn't ring unless I'm getting the trip.
I personally love auto accept. I put in specific slips and the phone doesn't ring unless I'm getting the trip.
What on Earth is simple about that? Now, how about on your phone?
Of course, everything we do here is needlessly complicated from basic schedule manipulation to how we handle vacations....And it all has to be done through iCrew, which itself is utterly insane in 2025.
08-14-2025 | 06:15 AM
#5458
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From: Pilot
Deltanet->My Division->iCrew->clearing whatever messages are there(If icrew even works properly on the first try)->Schedules->PCS->Slip Requests->Green Slips->In Base Without Conflict-> Change->[make changes]->Adjust Qualifiers-> Save
What on Earth is simple about that? Now, how about on your phone?
Of course, everything we do here is needlessly complicated from basic schedule manipulation to how we handle vacations....And it all has to be done through iCrew, which itself is utterly insane in 2025.
What on Earth is simple about that? Now, how about on your phone?
Of course, everything we do here is needlessly complicated from basic schedule manipulation to how we handle vacations....And it all has to be done through iCrew, which itself is utterly insane in 2025.
08-14-2025 | 09:33 AM
#5459
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From: ir.delta.com
agree. The air line ran just fine back when skeds called pilots one at a time to fill trips. Heck, many times we had earlier notice of the event and both sides could plan ahead. Maybe we could just go back to that.
most of us have lived through multiple panaceas of ‘this new technology’ that will ‘make everything better’, when looking back it really just made us more frantic and served to delay decisions until the very last minute. Maybe we can help be the catalyst to help the company save itself from itself and execute scheduling adjustments further in advance.
Back on topic: I was hopeful in June and July that dal would start new hire classes this fall until I learned of the borderline irrational reason for delaying training just to post a profitable year 100. A survey of most long-term employees might show that we’d be happy to have a ‘normal’ year 100 and go for super-duper profitability in year 101 when we don’t have to eat the cost of a major safety incident in February. Oh and also an economic freakout based on questionable motives.
most of us have lived through multiple panaceas of ‘this new technology’ that will ‘make everything better’, when looking back it really just made us more frantic and served to delay decisions until the very last minute. Maybe we can help be the catalyst to help the company save itself from itself and execute scheduling adjustments further in advance.
Back on topic: I was hopeful in June and July that dal would start new hire classes this fall until I learned of the borderline irrational reason for delaying training just to post a profitable year 100. A survey of most long-term employees might show that we’d be happy to have a ‘normal’ year 100 and go for super-duper profitability in year 101 when we don’t have to eat the cost of a major safety incident in February. Oh and also an economic freakout based on questionable motives.
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