Originally Posted by RStrawberry

i mean how can we not? Our career mobility, earnings, and QOL will be permanently impeded and diminished due to the hiring patterns of yesterday. I’d like to know just how much less one hired today can anticipate earning compared to a similar aged new hire of 2019 or 2022. Probably easily measured in millions. Kind of hard not to feel sour about that. What a huge missed opportunity..

Originally Posted by RStrawberry

i mean how can we not? Our career mobility, earnings, and QOL will be permanently impeded and diminished due to the hiring patterns of yesterday.

Originally Posted by RStrawberry

i mean how can we not? Our career mobility, earnings, and QOL will be permanently impeded and diminished due to the hiring patterns of yesterday. I’d like to know just how much less one hired today can anticipate earning compared to a similar aged new hire of 2019 or 2022. Probably easily measured in millions. Kind of hard not to feel sour about that. What a huge missed opportunity..

Originally Posted by Cruz5350

Here's what Delta is going to look like for newhires... Expect no rapid movement, those days are already over and were a product of the crazy covid times. It'll take a solid 6-8 years before you can upgrade in our most junior bases. What does life look like as a newer FO, seniority only gives you more control over what days of the week or what vacation weeks you get. You can imagine like anything it takes mega seniority to get weekends, holidays, summer vacation, avoid redeye types of rotations. Almost universally across the board the lines look the same and trust me I look all the time planning my next move. You can count on a solid 15-18 days off regardless of seat, base, or NB equipment, but the days off part tends to change if its high or low block season although its stabilized moreso with there being less of shoulder seasons vs what the industry saw say over the last decade or so. Still a good job per American job standards but in the 121 world it's the new average. You'll have no issues making 200-300k after about 3 years on property in a NB counting your 401k... Find a job anywhere in America that'll give you that and keep you home every night and I'd bail to it in and instance.

Originally Posted by Guac

I mean, I wouldn't even say it requires MEGA seniority to get most of what you want. I'm 75% relative in seat, and can get most weekends off, all the major holidays, and no redeyes in exchange for less desirable trips. Something for everyone really.

Originally Posted by RStrawberry

i mean how can we not? Our career mobility, earnings, and QOL will be permanently impeded and diminished due to the hiring patterns of yesterday. I’d like to know just how much less one hired today can anticipate earning compared to a similar aged new hire of 2019 or 2022. Probably easily measured in millions. Kind of hard not to feel sour about that. What a huge missed opportunity..

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy

Bud, you weren't owed anything, and aren't entitled to anything.

Looks like the next generation of LEPFEPAS grifters is knocking at the door.

Originally Posted by RStrawberry

Sure, that doesn’t make it suck any less or diminish the difficulties today’s regional/mil/LCC guys looking to move up are going to face. Stagnant seniority lists, 15+ year upgrades, etc… all because of timing.

count yourself lucky and try not to be a jerk to those who are probably looking at 30-40% less career earnings than their luckier peers.


I’m not even hoping for a top 1% career, just an average or good career and not feeling like a second class worker to my peers who had life go more favorably for them to end up at regionals before Covid. Thats literally it.