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06-17-2021 | 04:46 PM
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Yeah, the whole “787 is closer to 767 than 330 is” thing is only when people look at length. The 787 is built as a 9 across plane, same MTOW range as the 330 and same capacity. It isn’t a leaner jet at all.
06-17-2021 | 05:42 PM
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In addition the 787 is a customer favorite with large windows, low cabin altitude, humidification and pure cabin air not pulled out of the compressor of the engine. It’s high, hot and short runway performance is also better.
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06-17-2021 | 05:50 PM
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I am not sure where you get that data. The 787-900 has a 244,000 lb empty weight and typically seats 250 to 260 in a 4 class. UAL seats 257 in their 4 class. The A330-900 has a 302,000 lb empty weight and we seat 281 in a 4 class. Takeoff weights are close which is why the 787 has much better range/payload numbers and is crushing the A330-900 in sales.
I guess I just don’t see why we’d get the 787 now when we’ve had the chance and gone down the 330 path, and preach streamlining fleet families now. Unless the 787 takes out the 765 and ER categories in one, it doesn’t achieve much there.
06-17-2021 | 05:57 PM
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I am not sure where you get that data. The 787-900 has a 244,000 lb empty weight and typically seats 250 to 260 in a 4 class. UAL seats 257 in their 4 class. The A330-900 has a 302,000 lb empty weight and we seat 281 in a 4 class. Takeoff weights are close which is why the 787 has much better range/payload numbers and has crushed the A330-900 in sales.
In addition the 787 is a customer favorite with large windows, low cabin altitude, humidification and pure cabin air not pulled out of the compressor of the engine. It’s high, hot and short runway performance is also better.
In addition the 787 is a customer favorite with large windows, low cabin altitude, humidification and pure cabin air not pulled out of the compressor of the engine. It’s high, hot and short runway performance is also better.
Delta chose to not get the humidifiers, and the cabin altitudes are likely similar in the 5000’ range.
Not in response to you, but general discussion:
I’m no Airbus fanboy, but just look at the 787 cockpit vs any Airbus. It’s cobbled together crap. Fleet simplification must also count for something; can’t imagine us introducing a new fleet type so quickly after ditching the 777 supposedly for fleet simplification.
Ultimately, I’ll fly what they buy.
06-17-2021 | 06:02 PM
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What source did you use for the 330 empty weight? My quick google search says 119,600kg which is 244,000lb.
Delta chose to not get the humidifiers, and the cabin altitudes are likely similar in the 5000’ range.
Not in response to you, but general discussion:
I’m no Airbus fanboy, but just look at the 787 cockpit vs any Airbus. It’s cobbled together crap. Fleet simplification must also count for something; can’t imagine us introducing a new fleet type so quickly after ditching the 777 supposedly for fleet simplification.
Ultimately, I’ll fly what they buy.
Delta chose to not get the humidifiers, and the cabin altitudes are likely similar in the 5000’ range.
Not in response to you, but general discussion:
I’m no Airbus fanboy, but just look at the 787 cockpit vs any Airbus. It’s cobbled together crap. Fleet simplification must also count for something; can’t imagine us introducing a new fleet type so quickly after ditching the 777 supposedly for fleet simplification.
Ultimately, I’ll fly what they buy.
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06-17-2021 | 06:28 PM
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119,600 kg is is 263,000 lbs and that is the empty weight for the original A330-200. Our A330-900 going to TLV tonight has a 305,000 lb empty weight. The A330-300 burns less fuel on routes under 2000 miles because of weight. The aircraft is a sales disaster for Airbus.
305k is pretty hefty. What kind of burn rate at cruise?
No argument on the sales disaster. A350 looks like a better buy given similar cost and better range.
06-18-2021 | 06:41 AM
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Spreading made up or fictitious rumors may be interesting but do more harm than good. They raise moral then crush it when they turn out to be false. It is true we are in dire need of additional lift and are falling behind our competitors in returning to precovid flight levels and new market growth. If we are financially able to acquire additional aircraft the market is ripe for Delta to get back being DELTA!. Rant over.
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