Delta Pilot Sues Delta
07-22-2021, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
Who is qualified to determine the airworthiness of the aircraft per the MEL and whether it’s a pilot or maintenance deferral? Certainly not the FA’s unless clearly a cabin issue, and even then they don’t have an MEL. No one is talking about not seeing something until it’s more convenient. I’ve seen contract maintenance show up at an out station after an FA started the ball rolling with FF without the Capt being notified (cockpit crew on board). Was a non-issue but took a delay and caused miss-connects with the time it took to contact dispatch and maintenance to put the genie back in the bottle.
A simple communication with the cockpit could have prevented the delay. I really like the FF app but it can be used to jump chain of command either deliberately or through ignorance
A simple communication with the cockpit could have prevented the delay. I really like the FF app but it can be used to jump chain of command either deliberately or through ignorance
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07-22-2021, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
Who is qualified to determine the airworthiness of the aircraft per the MEL and whether it’s a pilot or maintenance deferral? Certainly not the FA’s unless clearly a cabin issue, and even then they don’t have an MEL. No one is talking about not seeing something until it’s more convenient. I’ve seen contract maintenance show up at an out station after an FA started the ball rolling with FF without the Capt being notified (cockpit crew on board). Was a non-issue but took a delay and caused miss-connects with the time it took to contact dispatch and maintenance to put the genie back in the bottle.
A simple communication with the cockpit could have prevented the delay. I really like the FF app but it can be used to jump chain of command either deliberately or through ignorance
A simple communication with the cockpit could have prevented the delay. I really like the FF app but it can be used to jump chain of command either deliberately or through ignorance
You make a strong case to have FF up on somebody’s EFB in the front office. That small action mitigates the risk of uncoordinated action by others and gives you all the broadcast comm benefits of the app.
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07-22-2021, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
If it’s not in the logbook there’s no write-up.
If the captain was bypassed and not made aware he is absolved.
Sometimes pilots get to the airplane late.
I’m ok with FA’s working with MX on their own if I’m not there. Just like dealing with pax on their own.
If the captain was bypassed and not made aware he is absolved.
Sometimes pilots get to the airplane late.
I’m ok with FA’s working with MX on their own if I’m not there. Just like dealing with pax on their own.
07-23-2021, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Thats not correct. If the flight attendants have contacted maintenance on a item that belongs in the logbook but was not placed there the flight has dispatched illegally. The flight attendants are supposed to run any maintenance items through the cockpit.
07-23-2021, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
If the captain was not informed how can he be held responsible?
07-23-2021, 04:32 AM
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The FAA also says:
If the FA is reporting irregularities occurring during flight without informing the PIC, then an FAR violation has occurred. Policy and training should be reviewed to ensure this doesn’t happen.
However, if they report irregularities occurring during ground operations without informing the PIC, then there may have been a violation of company policy but not the FAR.
§121.563 Reporting mechanical irregularities.The pilot in command shall ensure that all mechanical irregularities occurring during flight time are entered in the maintenance log of the airplane at the end of that flight time. Before each flight the pilot in command shall ascertain the status of each irregularity entered in the log at the end of the preceding flight.
However, if they report irregularities occurring during ground operations without informing the PIC, then there may have been a violation of company policy but not the FAR.
07-23-2021, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Well he is in charge and gets the big bucks! The FAA has used the phase “new or should have known” in past enforcement actions.
BTW when was the last time you checked tire pressure?
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07-23-2021, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Peabody17
The FAA also says:
If the FA is reporting irregularities occurring during flight without informing the PIC, then an FAR violation has occurred. Policy and training should be reviewed to ensure this doesn’t happen.
However, if they report irregularities occurring during ground operations without informing the PIC, then there may have been a violation of company policy but not the FAR.
If the FA is reporting irregularities occurring during flight without informing the PIC, then an FAR violation has occurred. Policy and training should be reviewed to ensure this doesn’t happen.
However, if they report irregularities occurring during ground operations without informing the PIC, then there may have been a violation of company policy but not the FAR.
07-23-2021, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Define mechanical irregularity. 29A screen inop? Overhead bin difficult to close? Closet door latch sticks?
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