Reserve for Dummies
12-14-2021 | 04:44 PM
#321
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That's for line construction and moving days around during the month. However, you can personal drop below the 3 days on Narrow bodies, but you can NOT PD to drop below 4 days on the Wide bodies.
There is also something called "minimum separation" for certain WBs. For example, for a while, the A350 had a min separation of 9 days. You could build a reserve block below 9 days (but greater than 4 days) during line construction. However, if you had PBS build you a block greater than 9 days, you could not then personal drop a day that would drop you below the 9 days. I don't think any fleets have min separation right now but they can pop up from time to time. I think that change may have to be run by the union...not sure if that's accurate, but I think I remember hearing and/or reading that somewhere.
Another thing we have is a max number of OFF day blocks. It's 5 off day blocks for NB and generally 4 for WB aircraft. Sometimes it can only be 2 for certain WB aircraft, but we don't currently have any with that limit. The last aircraft that had that lime was the 350.
There is also something called "minimum separation" for certain WBs. For example, for a while, the A350 had a min separation of 9 days. You could build a reserve block below 9 days (but greater than 4 days) during line construction. However, if you had PBS build you a block greater than 9 days, you could not then personal drop a day that would drop you below the 9 days. I don't think any fleets have min separation right now but they can pop up from time to time. I think that change may have to be run by the union...not sure if that's accurate, but I think I remember hearing and/or reading that somewhere.
Another thing we have is a max number of OFF day blocks. It's 5 off day blocks for NB and generally 4 for WB aircraft. Sometimes it can only be 2 for certain WB aircraft, but we don't currently have any with that limit. The last aircraft that had that lime was the 350.
12-14-2021 | 04:48 PM
#322
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Personal drops (PD) is unpaid. You can drop all the way down to zero as either a line holder or reserve if there is enough coverage. If you have banked payback days (PB) you can use those instead to get the day off but not lose pay. Generally you earn PB days by working a GS on your off days as a reserve. You can only bank PB days if you work a GS and you have no more on call days for the rest of the month.
12-14-2021 | 04:48 PM
#323
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No bank, you just lose that days pay and get more days off. To personal drop there has to be positive reserve coverage. That day becomes a hard no-fly day meaning you can't get a greenslip on a reserve day that you PD.
12-14-2021 | 05:11 PM
#324
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If reserve, you could put as many on call days in shadow as possible, leaving x days after and in theory get time off
On the other hand, if you put x days in the shadow and they get violated, you get PB days. Which could be gold
Depends on your goal.
12-14-2021 | 05:55 PM
#325
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As a line holder though, you can PD a trip and later fly over that day. But you can not fly over an APD day
12-15-2021 | 05:06 AM
#326
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Haven't started yet, but I'm able to see the bid awards. A big hangup for me coming to Delta is that I'm involved in something that's important to me, that often requires some weekend availability. My experience at my current airline is that I was able to get weekends pretty quickly on reserve. It looks like NYC220B might offer the quickest seniority, so that's what I hope to bid.
In looking at the NYC220B bid awards and doing a widgetseniority calculation, it looks like it'll take a couple years to get weekends on reserve, and maybe four years with a line. Once the awards come out, is coverage ever good enough to PD a weekend or swap days around to open up a weekend on reserve? The money is less important, so I'd probably be using every tool available to clear up those weekends.
It'll take about nine years to make up my income at current pay rates (not interested in WB because of sleep issues). That plus the loss of weekends is making me wonder if this is the right choice.
In looking at the NYC220B bid awards and doing a widgetseniority calculation, it looks like it'll take a couple years to get weekends on reserve, and maybe four years with a line. Once the awards come out, is coverage ever good enough to PD a weekend or swap days around to open up a weekend on reserve? The money is less important, so I'd probably be using every tool available to clear up those weekends.
It'll take about nine years to make up my income at current pay rates (not interested in WB because of sleep issues). That plus the loss of weekends is making me wonder if this is the right choice.
12-15-2021 | 05:38 AM
#327
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Haven't started yet, but I'm able to see the bid awards. A big hangup for me coming to Delta is that I'm involved in something that's important to me, that often requires some weekend availability. My experience at my current airline is that I was able to get weekends pretty quickly on reserve. It looks like NYC220B might offer the quickest seniority, so that's what I hope to bid.
In looking at the NYC220B bid awards and doing a widgetseniority calculation, it looks like it'll take a couple years to get weekends on reserve, and maybe four years with a line. Once the awards come out, is coverage ever good enough to PD a weekend or swap days around to open up a weekend on reserve? The money is less important, so I'd probably be using every tool available to clear up those weekends.
It'll take about nine years to make up my income at current pay rates (not interested in WB because of sleep issues). That plus the loss of weekends is making me wonder if this is the right choice.
In looking at the NYC220B bid awards and doing a widgetseniority calculation, it looks like it'll take a couple years to get weekends on reserve, and maybe four years with a line. Once the awards come out, is coverage ever good enough to PD a weekend or swap days around to open up a weekend on reserve? The money is less important, so I'd probably be using every tool available to clear up those weekends.
It'll take about nine years to make up my income at current pay rates (not interested in WB because of sleep issues). That plus the loss of weekends is making me wonder if this is the right choice.
12-15-2021 | 05:45 AM
#328
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Haven't started yet, but I'm able to see the bid awards. A big hangup for me coming to Delta is that I'm involved in something that's important to me, that often requires some weekend availability. My experience at my current airline is that I was able to get weekends pretty quickly on reserve. It looks like NYC220B might offer the quickest seniority, so that's what I hope to bid.
In looking at the NYC220B bid awards and doing a widgetseniority calculation, it looks like it'll take a couple years to get weekends on reserve, and maybe four years with a line. Once the awards come out, is coverage ever good enough to PD a weekend or swap days around to open up a weekend on reserve? The money is less important, so I'd probably be using every tool available to clear up those weekends.
It'll take about nine years to make up my income at current pay rates (not interested in WB because of sleep issues). That plus the loss of weekends is making me wonder if this is the right choice.
In looking at the NYC220B bid awards and doing a widgetseniority calculation, it looks like it'll take a couple years to get weekends on reserve, and maybe four years with a line. Once the awards come out, is coverage ever good enough to PD a weekend or swap days around to open up a weekend on reserve? The money is less important, so I'd probably be using every tool available to clear up those weekends.
It'll take about nine years to make up my income at current pay rates (not interested in WB because of sleep issues). That plus the loss of weekends is making me wonder if this is the right choice.
Im NYC73NB. Finished IOE in early November. I have all weekends off except holiday weekends. I used the PCS process to get Thanksgiving and the day before off.
Your pay situation sounds like you might have good seniority at an LCC. Good luck choosing.
12-15-2021 | 05:51 AM
#329
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Haven't started yet, but I'm able to see the bid awards. A big hangup for me coming to Delta is that I'm involved in something that's important to me, that often requires some weekend availability. My experience at my current airline is that I was able to get weekends pretty quickly on reserve. It looks like NYC220B might offer the quickest seniority, so that's what I hope to bid.
In looking at the NYC220B bid awards and doing a widgetseniority calculation, it looks like it'll take a couple years to get weekends on reserve, and maybe four years with a line. Once the awards come out, is coverage ever good enough to PD a weekend or swap days around to open up a weekend on reserve? The money is less important, so I'd probably be using every tool available to clear up those weekends.
It'll take about nine years to make up my income at current pay rates (not interested in WB because of sleep issues). That plus the loss of weekends is making me wonder if this is the right choice.
In looking at the NYC220B bid awards and doing a widgetseniority calculation, it looks like it'll take a couple years to get weekends on reserve, and maybe four years with a line. Once the awards come out, is coverage ever good enough to PD a weekend or swap days around to open up a weekend on reserve? The money is less important, so I'd probably be using every tool available to clear up those weekends.
It'll take about nine years to make up my income at current pay rates (not interested in WB because of sleep issues). That plus the loss of weekends is making me wonder if this is the right choice.
Bottom line, it's all a crapshoot. Everyone told me I'd be much better off on the 73N/320 over the 7ER, fast forward a bit, I'd have have better seniority and a better schedule had I gone to the 7ER. The 220 may not necessarily be shoe-in because it's likely a constant revolving door...mean coverage may not always be great. But as was said above, Dec is a different animal and it's hard to get an accurate picture on 1 or 2 months. If we're really going to be hiring as much as we say, it won't take long to get weekends off, but you also have to be prepared for working them. Either way, it varies month-to-month and seat-to-seat.
Yes if there is coverage you can move days (within constraints) as well. For the most part, if you can move them, you can also drop them. Also, depending on the time of year and category, you may get weekends off quicker with a line than reserve.
Best of luck with the decision.
12-15-2021 | 06:01 AM
#330
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Um, what? I pulled up the Dec NYC220B wide report. You kind of have to throw out Christmas weekend since that always screws things up. I show seniority 12489 being the most junior to hold every weekend except Christmas off. That person is a Sept 21 hire, so basically he's holding weekends off on reserve right out of training.
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