Search

Notices

Reserve for Dummies

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-26-2022 | 07:21 AM
  #471  
GogglesPisano's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
20M Airline Miles
10 Years
Gets Weekends Off
50 Countries Visited
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 6,569
Likes: 322
From: Sitting SC at the Five Towns
Default

So the consensus seems to be that a RES pilot must check his schedule under 3 scenarios:

1) After block-in
2) After 9 hours prior to the end of his last X-day (CS may or may not call when LC begins.)
3) After 9 hours prior to the end of his 30-hr rest. (There could be a rotation at 30.1 hours.)
Reply
Old 05-26-2022 | 07:28 AM
  #472  
notEnuf's Avatar
Racketeer
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 13,339
Likes: 829
From: N60.4858 W149.9327
Default

Almost.......

d. will be notified of his assignment to open time under Section 23 N. or O. by one of
the following two methods:
1) telephone contact from Crew Scheduling.
2) electronic placement of a rotation or conversion to short call that is placed on his
schedule prior to:
a) his release from a rotation, or
b) nine hours before the end of his last non-fly day (other than a vacation day)
before an on-call day.

However.......

Note: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been assigned a rotation or converted to short call under Section 23 S. 3. d. 2) b). Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an assignment or conversion.

And.......

e. will not be required to remain available for contact in the 12 hours prior to the scheduled report of an assigned rotation.



You are notified when the placement is done on the non-fly day but when you check it is up to you. I wait until the RAP starts because the 12 hours prior to report is more than enough for me. (in base so when I come back to civilization I'm close to home and work)
Reply
Old 05-26-2022 | 07:29 AM
  #473  
Roll’n Thunder
Community Influencer
15 Years
On Reserve
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,151
Likes: 562
From: Pilot
Default

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
So the consensus seems to be that a RES pilot must check his schedule under 3 scenarios:

1) After block-in
2) After 9 hours prior to the end of his last X-day (CS may or may not call when LC begins.)
3) After 9 hours prior to the end of his 30-hr rest. (There could be a rotation at 30.1 hours.)
Point #3 is wrong. There could be a rotation at 30 hours + 10 hours. If it is not on there by 9 hours prior to the 30 hours ending then the earliest they can make you report coming off your 30 hour rest is 12 hours after your LC starts. It’s the exact same rules as #2. A 30 hour rest break guarantees a minimum of 40 hours before you could first be required to report.
Reply
Old 05-26-2022 | 07:40 AM
  #474  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Mar 2022
Posts: 261
Likes: 9
Default

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
So the consensus seems to be that a RES pilot must check his schedule under 3 scenarios:

1) After block-in
2) After 9 hours prior to the end of his last X-day (CS may or may not call when LC begins.)
3) After 9 hours prior to the end of his 30-hr rest. (There could be a rotation at 30.1 hours.)
See above. Can’t be a rotation at 30.1, otherwise you’d effectively be on long call at 18 hours into your rest, that’s not very restful. The 30 hours is sacred.
Reply
Old 05-26-2022 | 07:42 AM
  #475  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 12,533
Likes: 1,129
Default

Originally Posted by notEnuf
My experience has been that they call at midnight (or whenever the RAP starts) if you don't acknowledge the trip during the 9 hours prior to being on call. You still have 10 hours of rest before you are required to report. Sometimes I am unable to check my schedule until my RAP starts and that's perfectly fine. 9 hours prior is the latest they can add flying, not when you must check it. Crew scheduling is not required to call though, so if you have to commute to base and can't during the first 10 hours it's on you to check and show for a trip. However, if you check at 9 hours prior and there's nothing, then you don't need to check again, just wait for contact.
To clarify: 9 hour prior is the latest they can add flying if the report is going to be between 10 and 11:59 hours on the first x day after a non-fly day.
Reply
Old 05-26-2022 | 07:46 AM
  #476  
notEnuf's Avatar
Racketeer
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 13,339
Likes: 829
From: N60.4858 W149.9327
Default

Originally Posted by CBreezy
To clarify: 9 hour prior is the latest they can add flying if the report is going to be between 10 and 11:59 hours on the first x day after a non-fly day.
True, but after the 9 prior they have to call and issue rest prior, and you don't go on call until midnight or when RAP starts. Also if the trip starts later in the RAP there's duty time considerations. (e.) above still applies.
Reply
Old 05-26-2022 | 07:46 AM
  #477  
GogglesPisano's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
20M Airline Miles
10 Years
Gets Weekends Off
50 Countries Visited
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 6,569
Likes: 322
From: Sitting SC at the Five Towns
Default

Originally Posted by notEnuf
You are notified when the placement is done on the non-fly day but when you check it is up to you.
This is how I've always interpreted it. If you are on rest you are effectively on the dark side of the moon, hiking the Himalayas, off the grid. With no obligation whatsoever to the Company.

So allow me to rephrase my statement:

The two scenarios where a RES pilot must check his schedule are:

1) After block-in.
2) When beginning LC after ending an X-day or a 30 hour rest. Then a rotation must begin no earlier than 12 hours later (or 10 if placed prior to -9)
Reply
Old 05-27-2022 | 05:20 AM
  #478  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 295
Likes: 0
Default 4F1C - how to read the time card?

On reserve, I received 8 hours of pay under the 4F1C code - company connivence.

It was on an X-day. My best guess is that I was incorrectly bypassed for a green slip, but I cannot be 100% sure.

On my time card, I have 8 hours of pay AND credit for the 4F1C. Is this correct? With the time under credit...seems like it goes toward the res guarantee...which doesn't really add any benefit?
Reply
Old 05-27-2022 | 02:22 PM
  #479  
SabreDriver's Avatar
Line Holder
Veteran: Navy
15 Years
40 Countries Visited
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 607
Likes: 7
From: The Right One
Default

Originally Posted by BCan
On reserve, I received 8 hours of pay under the 4F1C code - company connivence.

It was on an X-day. My best guess is that I was incorrectly bypassed for a green slip, but I cannot be 100% sure.

On my time card, I have 8 hours of pay AND credit for the 4F1C. Is this correct? With the time under credit...seems like it goes toward the res guarantee...which doesn't really add any benefit?

8 hours sounds like you have been removed from two days of training, if it was pay and credit, green slip would be pay, no credit.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply
Old 05-29-2022 | 01:33 PM
  #480  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 20,880
Likes: 194
Default

Originally Posted by SabreDriver
8 hours sounds like you have been removed from two days of training, if it was pay and credit, green slip would be pay, no credit.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
A green slip that no ops or is dropped for any reason becomes pay and credit.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
BestForward
JetBlue
14677
Yesterday 03:19 PM
Heavyflyer
FedEx
21
04-11-2021 09:13 AM
GoJet Recruiter
GoJet
165
05-21-2018 10:51 AM
Flytolive
United
714
01-12-2016 03:54 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices