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Old 12-13-2023 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
But if the pilot chose to a) look at their schedule < 24hrs out and b) chose to acknowledge said rotation....
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That’s true, CS went spear phishing and caught you…
I acknowledged the first (~ 27 hours out) and not the second trip (< 24 hours). 1) I'm thinking about calling scheds and telling them to pound sand. 2) I'm thinking about flying the second (fly now greive later), but wondering if I need to start fighting for Res RRPY?
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Old 12-13-2023 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg
I acknowledged the first (~ 27 hours out) and not the second trip (< 24 hours). 1) I'm thinking about calling scheds and telling them to pound sand. 2) I'm thinking about flying the second (fly now greive later), but wondering if I need to start fighting for Res RRPY?
Since you didn't have a requirement to know about the earlier 1000 flight, you could also wait until they call you around 0930 and ask why you haven't signed in yet....you tell them you were never notified, stay at home and don't fly either of them...make them follow the contract.
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Old 12-13-2023 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
Since you didn't have a requirement to know about the earlier 1000 flight, you could also wait until they call you around 0930 and ask why you haven't signed in yet....you tell them you were never notified, stay at home and don't fly either of them...make them follow the contract.
Combining everything, I think it may be a legal assignment. Trip #2 was assigned at 1120 on last ‘X’ day, which was greater than 24 hours prior to trip #1’s report(~1800 LCday1) I believe I am(was) required to check my schedule regardless after 1200 on my last non-fly day.

So although trip #2 reports in less than 24 hours from coverage time, it was assigned prior to 1200 and I have no right to trip #1 even though it was acknowledged earlier in the day. Clear as mud?
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Old 12-13-2023 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg
Combining everything, I think it may be a legal assignment. Trip #2 was assigned at 1120 on last ‘X’ day, which was greater than 24 hours prior to trip #1’s report(~1800 LCday1) I believe I am(was) required to check my schedule regardless after 1200 on my last non-fly day.

So although trip #2 reports in less than 24 hours from coverage time, it was assigned prior to 1200 and I have no right to trip #1 even though it was acknowledged earlier in the day. Clear as mud?
The only required schedule check with a time limit is within 30 min of block in on RES rotatiion.

12 noon being 12 hrs prior to non fly day (PWA doens't say X day) only works when you start LC at midnight.....that's not the case when coming off 30hrs of rest or PR/PB day.

The 24hrs prior only applies once you know you have a rotation.

In order for you to start any rotation between 101-18 hours after you start on call, it has to be on your schedule NLT 12hrs prior to non fly day ending (in this case 12 noon)....if all that is true, then it's legal, regardless of the fact you acknolwedged the other rotation first.
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Old 12-13-2023 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg
Combining everything, I think it may be a legal assignment. Trip #2 was assigned at 1120 on last ‘X’ day, which was greater than 24 hours prior to trip #1’s report(~1800 LCday1) I believe I am(was) required to check my schedule regardless after 1200 on my last non-fly day.

So although trip #2 reports in less than 24 hours from coverage time, it was assigned prior to 1200 and I have no right to trip #1 even though it was acknowledged earlier in the day. Clear as mud?
That all sounds correct. I believe it was assigned in a contractually compliant way. Bad luck to get bamboozled though. Just check your schedule at 1201 only next time.
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Old 12-13-2023 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
Kind of like when Scheds is fishing by calling a SC pilot before SC starts, or assigning a rotaiton that starts 30 min after SC starts....knowing the contract and forcing scheds to stick to it normally pays dividends in the pilot's favor.
If they call you before shortcall starts, they’ve violated your rest. You can’t legally fly anymore.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg
Combining everything, I think it may be a legal assignment. Trip #2 was assigned at 1120 on last ‘X’ day, which was greater than 24 hours prior to trip #1’s report(~1800 LCday1) I believe I am(was) required to check my schedule regardless after 1200 on my last non-fly day.

So although trip #2 reports in less than 24 hours from coverage time, it was assigned prior to 1200 and I have no right to trip #1 even though it was acknowledged earlier in the day. Clear as mud?
Agree with the others, based on what you wrote here, it sounds like a legal assignment. They don't often switch trips on folks, but it can and does happen.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Agree with the others, based on what you wrote here, it sounds like a legal assignment. They don't often switch trips on folks, but it can and does happen.
This is not correct. Scheduling can change your schedule with early report assignments as much as they want until 12 hours prior to the start of LC, OR until the pilot acknowledges an assignment. If they assign a rotation two days out, and you immediately acknowledge it, that is then locked in. Any further changes require them to notify you, which they cannot do since you are in rest up until report. In this case, since you acknowledged it, you are only required to report for the acknowledged rotation. At that point, since that rotation is gone, you would have to call them and they would then be able to notify you of the rotation removal. You should then go back on LC because any further assignment requires 18 hours notice.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 05:04 AM
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Can anyone explain how release works at the end of a reserve block? I guess I don't understand it with the new contract.

At the end of a reserve block going into a normal X day, can they call me after 0600? I was assigned 30hrs rest at 1800. Makes no sense.

Versus going into a golden day when the system assigns me rest at 0600.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by neodd
Can anyone explain how release works at the end of a reserve block? I guess I don't understand it with the new contract.

At the end of a reserve block going into a normal X day, can they call me after 0600? I was assigned 30hrs rest at 1800. Makes no sense.

Versus going into a golden day when the system assigns me rest at 0600.
Going into a normal X day you are on LC until 2359. Scheduling can call you at any point during that last day to put you into rest early. Generally they have consistently been assigning rest starting at 1800. If you are going into a vacation day or golden X day you are already assumed to be aware of the company’s contractual obligation to release you from LC into rest at 0600 so that will happen automatically with no call to you required. This whole paragraph only applies to when your last day of LC has no rotation or SC assignment - just LC for the whole day.

Scheduling can assign you SC on your last day of reserve. Ifyou are on SC going into a regular X day they can keep you on SC up until 2359, but as always any assignment must release by 2359 so you are not really usable to them that late. You are atomically released from any SC at noon on your last day before a golden X day or reserve day.
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