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Old 12-16-2023 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FITH
Fangs, that all sounds great. While not totally current, I can imagine your experience as the 765 plug was not to far off the mark. I’m fairly certain the WB life is for me. Sleep is the only question mark. Time will tell. I’ll continue to peruse the reserve availability list and daily coverage reports as if they were a crystal ball until I actually get my feet wet. Thanks for your input.
Lurking the Reserve Avail List is a great technique to guage how much pilots are getting used, especially near the end of a month when everyone is likely to have been on call an equalized amount. Even check a few pilots' schedules. Pro tip: if you check a prior month's schedule, it only shows to that pilot if they look at thier old schedule. I'm not creeped out when a random dude checks my schedule, but if you are, that can mitigate it somewhat...

FWIW, I was able to get some sleep on every crossing I had except 2, and I think both of those were first break. At least on the 765 (aka 'the 400'), every departure was between about 7 and 10 or so. So first break might be a little early to get to sleep easily on the earliest departure. We also only had 6 departures a night in a relatively small category. The 330 is bigger, and getting bigger still. So they may have had more departures earlier. Can't speak to that.

It's been posted before, but for anyone who's not seen WB sleep 'norms', on the layovers, most people try not to sleep on the van/bus to the hotel (which in some places like London or Paris can be a challenge), then crash for only about 3 hours. Some people will do the "ironman" and head straight out to see the sights, but that's pretty brutal on the body to do very often. I couldn't ever do it, personally. For the rest of us, after that 3-hour nap, get up, get a workout, and go out to dinner with the crew and maybe tour a bit. Then go back to the hotel at local bedtime, and crash hard for a full "night's" sleep. Then, when you are getting up 0200 on your body clock, you have just had a full night's rest. Take another nap on the crossing back. It's pretty manageable if you stick to that routine. The key is getting some sleep on the crossings, IMO. Also, at the time Sonata was a sleep aid which had a 6-hour no-fly time after taking it. I think the FAA raised that time now. But it was approved for "circadian rhythm disruption associated with International travel". I took it and reported it on my FAA 8500 every time. Having said that, when I was out on disability 5 years ago, coming back the FAA wanted 3 years of pharmacy records to demonstrate I wasn't using it for other than official trips. Dumb. Talk to your AME about it, as it does help ensure you get a good nights rest before coming back.

Originally Posted by Fly Casual
How is reserve guarantee supposed to pay out during a month with your pay anniversary? I can't find a good reference for this situation.

For a relatively easy math, say it is a 30 day month, your pay anniversary is on the 11th, and you get "lucky" and don't fly a single rotation. Would your reserve guarantee pay out based on the hourly rate of 1/3 of previous year rate and 2/3 next year rate? What if all of my long call days start on the 11th or later?

TIA!
I believe it pays at the higher rate - which is to say Guarantee pays at the end of the bid month's pay rate. I went back to an older PAS in my anniversary month, and it was paid at a rate actually slightly higher than the higher rate of the two listed. Weird. But it wasn' "prorated" between the two, if that helps.
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Old 12-16-2023 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly Casual
How is reserve guarantee supposed to pay out during a month with your pay anniversary? I can't find a good reference for this situation.

For a relatively easy math, say it is a 30 day month, your pay anniversary is on the 11th, and you get "lucky" and don't fly a single rotation. Would your reserve guarantee pay out based on the hourly rate of 1/3 of previous year rate and 2/3 next year rate? What if all of my long call days start on the 11th or later?

TIA!
mine has paid based on a pro rated amount. EG if your anniversary date was the 15th of Jan, 50% would pay at one year and 50% at the other.

your EOM check will be 1/2 res guarantee at your new rate and your next 15th check will be the difference

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Old 12-17-2023 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
I’ve been re-reading this entire thread (I know, glutton for punishment) looking for info on GS/IA pay while on reserve. None of the scenarios quite fit and I can’t find clear info in the SRH, Sched Alerts or PWA.
My question is regarding pay.
Scenario: X-day/X-day/RES block of days.
I accepted a 3-day IA that covered two X-days and was scheduled to finish on first RES day. (International: day-1 over to EU, day-3 fly home.)
If this were a GS, I understand that day 1 would be single-pay above guarantee and day 3 would be applied to my RES guarantee. I understand the PB/PR for early RES day release –vs- late RES day release and they were all applied correctly.

My first question: does an IA pay differently than a GS for RES? In other words does day 3 of an IA go towards my RES guarantee or pay above guarantee, or both?

Interestingly, I was rerouted on day-3 (rookie mistake answering my phone. I know…idiot thing to do) into flying a different flight back from EU and then DHing home (same duty period) so on my IA I now have a reroute. This brings me to my next question(s): does RRPY pay above guarantee? Should I see “REROUTE PAY” (down by G/SLIP PAY on the time card) in addition to the RRPY up in the trip details block?

I'm trying to figure out if it's all correct.
On my time card for the rotation number it has Block hours matching what I actually flew, Scheduled time and Pay time matching the full rotation including DH, and Credit matching ONLY what I did on the last day. Under the rotation details I have RRPY equal to 50% of rerouted legs Sked and Pay.

What actually gets paid above guarantee?
First was it coded correctly? (A or C) IA always pay the entire trip above guarentee. The credit portion on reserve days also counts towards your guarantee.
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Old 12-17-2023 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
IA always pay the entire trip above guarentee. The credit portion on reserve days also counts towards your guarantee.
Say again…?
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Old 12-17-2023 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
First was it coded correctly? (A or C) IA always pay the entire trip above guarentee. The credit portion on reserve days also counts towards your guarantee.
It was coded correctly as an 'A'.

A correction to your post though: on reserve, only the portion that interupted X-days (base time) gets paid above guarantee. The portion that fell on RES-days (base time) is applied to your RES guarantee.

As for the reroute pay, in my case the reroute fell entirely on my original RES day. It ended up being about an hour and a half greater than what I was scheduled originally to do so I was CREDITed the entire duty period toward my guarantee, and have a RRPY line sorth 50% of the RR duty period (paid above guarantee) added to that date.

It looks like everything was done correctly, including the PB/PR days since I called after block-in with my 'rerouted duty-off' time.

I have learned a ton about the new contract language with this exercize.

*****New question-new scenario: *****
I have a block of RES days, one X-day, and another block of RES days. If I pick up a RES GS on the last day of the first block, do I get anything for that middle X-day or did I just screw myself out of an X-day for no benefit. All of the examples show X-days at the beginning of a GS or being interupted at the end of a GS; nothing in the middle.

Thanks for all the responses to the previous scenario. I hope it added to the collective RES knowledgebase.
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Old 12-17-2023 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
*****New question-new scenario: *****
I have a block of RES days, one X-day, and another block of RES days. If I pick up a RES GS on the last day of the first block, do I get anything for that middle X-day or did I just screw myself out of an X-day for no benefit. All of the examples show X-days at the beginning of a GS or being interupted at the end of a GS; nothing in the middle.

Thanks for all the responses to the previous scenario. I hope it added to the collective RES knowledgebase.
As Res, any FDP which starts on an X-day (converted to base time) will pay above guarantee. In addition, if you start on the last RES day but have <12 to report (or is it 18 now?) will also pay that FDP above guarnantee. This needs to be coded as an "F#1" however, so DBMS knows to pay that res day 'above' (CS sometimes codes it as G#1, which will not reflect that first FDP as GS pay). In your scenario, the first 2 FDP's and any DH credit for those days will pay above guarantee. The third day and any trip rig/ADG credit will go toward guarantee. If you have a choice of trips, choose the one with a lot of block/DH on the first 2 days of the trip. Also, your PB day will start 9 hours after release, which may make the remaindr of that second RES blcok almost unusable, depending on how long it was to begin with. Can be a good strategy.
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Old 12-17-2023 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
Say again…?
23.U.3.b. The first day is on a resrve day. (less than 18 or would just be a reserve assignment) I should have clarified. But, yes pays and accumulates PB like a green slip.
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Old 12-17-2023 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
23.U.3.b. The first day is on a resrve day. (less than 18 or would just be a reserve assignment) I should have clarified. But, yes pays and accumulates PB like a green slip.
Just for clarity, an IA (or GS) which starts on a Res LC day does not generate a PB day for that LC day. Only days which interrupt an X-day earn a PB. I think you meant that, just don't want anyone confused.
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Old 12-18-2023 | 02:25 PM
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Anyone explain how green slips work on short call?

A person is on SC at the start of a reserve block. They get assigned a next day rotation (unrelated to SC) and rest at the end of short call. Then they get an ARCOS green slip callout for a trip that reports during the SC period but conflicts with the next day rotation. Report time is ~1hr if that makes a difference.

Shouldn’t they just get used off shortcall instead of being offered the GS?
Does being within 24hrs of report for next day rotation matter?

Further, person accepts the green slip. Scheduling then removes the previously assigned next day rotation and awards the new rotation as a short call assignment instead of a GS. ???
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Old 12-18-2023 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by neodd
Anyone explain how green slips work on short call?

A person is on SC at the start of a reserve block. They get assigned a next day rotation (unrelated to SC) and rest at the end of short call. Then they get an ARCOS green slip callout for a trip that reports during the SC period but conflicts with the next day rotation. Report time is ~1hr if that makes a difference.

Shouldn’t they just get used off shortcall instead of being offered the GS?
Does being within 24hrs of report for next day rotation matter?

Further, person accepts the green slip. Scheduling then removes the previously assigned next day rotation and awards the new rotation as a short call assignment instead of a GS. ???
Just to clarify, you do not enter rest at the end of short call. You immediately revert back to LC. The only time you enter rest is prior to the report of a trip or short call or as assigned by scheduling. They should have given that trip as a SC assignment but the schedulers may not have been experienced enough to know they can take you off an assignment for the next day to give you a trip today. I don't know that you'd be given anything for the GS but if you do, assignment pay only? The only time you can be given a GS while on call is if it would interrupt x days or if the trip is between 10-18 hours on LC.

*Edit: okay, I see you said they gave you rest at the end of SC for the assignment the next day
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