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Old 12-14-2023 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
Going into a normal X day you are on LC until 2359. Scheduling can call you at any point during that last day to put you into rest early. Generally they have consistently been assigning rest starting at 1800. If you are going into a vacation day or golden X day you are already assumed to be aware of the company’s contractual obligation to release you from LC into rest at 0600 so that will happen automatically with no call to you required. This whole paragraph only applies to when your last day of LC has no rotation or SC assignment - just LC for the whole day.

Scheduling can assign you SC on your last day of reserve. Ifyou are on SC going into a regular X day they can keep you on SC up until 2359, but as always any assignment must release by 2359 so you are not really usable to them that late. You are atomically released from any SC at noon on your last day before a golden X day or reserve day.
Going into time off with a bang. I’m all for it.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by neodd
If they call you before shortcall starts, they’ve violated your rest. You can’t legally fly anymore.
The Company may attempt to contact the pilot one time while a pilot is in rest. If the pilot voluntarily chooses to answer this call, then the FAA does not view the call as disruptive and breaking the rest period.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Legally? You are on call until your rest begins. They can interrupt a non-golden x day to give you a trip tomorrow.

Realistically? If they already gave you rest AND there are people left available in the reserve grid, you are pretty much done. You are free to call and get released and they'll likely release you.

To your last question: if they give you rest at 1800, you can pick up a GS starting at 0400. How is that restrictive?
Don't think that's correct....

Scheds could give the OP a one day turn that is scheduled to release < 2359, but then due to RR or delays, rolls into the non-golden XX day.

What they can't do is assign a rotation that is scheudled to release > 2359, or initially reports on that XX day.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by neodd
I'm on the last day of my LC block. No assignment. Tomorrow is an X-day. I've been assigned 30hrs rest at 1800 tonight (at least I think I'm reading that correctly, 1800 on the 14th to 0000 on the 15th, is that 30hrs or 6?)
I think the rest of your questions got answered already (yes?), but not this one.

14/1800 to 15/0000 is six hours, as you speculate--but misses the point. You have an X-day tomorrow, which is already/automatically rest. That's how you get your 30 hours, 6 (assigned) + 24 (X-day) = 30 continuous hours.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
The Company may attempt to contact the pilot one time while a pilot is in rest. If the pilot voluntarily chooses to answer this call, then the FAA does not view the call as disruptive and breaking the rest period.
nope. It’s up to the pilot if that single call interrupted their rest.

but it doesn’t auto-violate rest
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Old 12-14-2023 | 12:52 PM
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Last few pages of this thread just prove how crystal clear 117 and our PWA are.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hossharris
nope. It’s up to the pilot if that single call interrupted their rest.

but it doesn’t auto-violate rest
What I wrote is quoted directly from Sched Alert 20-04 about contact ability.

I was just saying they “can” call during rest.

The rest of that sched alert paragraph goes on to say the pilot may have trouble getting back to sleep and should notify the company if they feel the call interrupted their rest.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 05:09 PM
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Trying to get some perspective. How many days a month could a juniorish reserve aviator expect to work a month? How much does that change seasonally? TIA
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Old 12-14-2023 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FITH
Trying to get some perspective. How many days a month could a juniorish reserve aviator expect to work a month? How much does that change seasonally? TIA
Not sure from your phrasing if you are wanting to work, or wondering how much you will HAVE to work... If you WANT to work, you can work 16-17 Days a month. Or even more up to FAR limits or Average Line Value +15 hours. ALV is between 72-84 hours for NB. It is generally lower in the Non-holiday winter months, and highest in the summer and holiday months. Generally.

If you DON'T want to work, it really depends. There will be months where if you don't do anything 'to your advantage' where you might get slammed at 16-17 days of work - basically every day you are on reserve, or nearly so. I would say that's not terribly common these days, but still possible. The good thing is we will continue to hire at least 100/month UFN (more in the next couple of months). So you will have a steady supply of NH's behind you to raise your seniority, and soak up the worst of it. Once you get more senior, and with just a little knowlege/planning, you can easily average 10-11 days of work a month on an annualized basis, or even less in some categories/seasons. It does vary with the flying seasons, where April (Spring Break), Summer and Holiday months being more. But again, it depends on the category. You will hear various answers from different folks' experience.

I'm a middle-third Captain who was super senior FO when I upgraded. But I've also been THE plug as WB FO. I have always bid reserve by choice (even as a commuter) because I almost always work less and get paid at least as much if not more than I would with a line.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 07:22 PM
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Fangs, thanks for taking the time to craft a great response. I should have more specific with my question and relied less on the title. So, I’m definitely looking to NOT work. I’d love to spend more time with family while still earning a decent paycheck as well as reducing the pain of commuting. I’ve been awarded the NYC330, and I’ll convert in the next few months.

I really bid the 330 with the general knowledge that WB reserve will result in less utilization than NB, but I somewhat belatedly thought I might try to get a better idea of how many days I might work if I was on reserve. I am 80ish percent and can hold a line, which I’ll be happy to do if the reserve gig doesn’t bear as much fruit as think. What was your experience when you were a WB FO on reserve?

Thanks again for your time.
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