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12-17-2021 | 06:53 PM
#101
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FWIW at FedEx (as I understand) you actually have a say when you go to training (which is an improvement over us)
jetblue also does year long bids.
Idk about FedEx but JetBlue cannot just decide to put training over vacation like we can (arguably the worst part of an already bad system for us)
jetblue also does year long bids.
Idk about FedEx but JetBlue cannot just decide to put training over vacation like we can (arguably the worst part of an already bad system for us)
12-17-2021 | 07:30 PM
#102
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From: Gramercy Riffs
minimum day has a meaning and what is in our contract does not meet that definition. If it did and our MDG was 5 hours, If I flew 7-5-0-6 hours on a 4 day it would pay 23 hours. Now it pays 21.
min day means the MINIMUM you will get paid for each day, not the average of all the days. Some airlines have a minimum day, we do not
min day means the MINIMUM you will get paid for each day, not the average of all the days. Some airlines have a minimum day, we do not
Back to crew meals.
12-18-2021 | 04:03 AM
#103
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Exactly. To add to that, IF we had Min Day, that same 4-day with a 28 hour layover would pay no less than 26:15. Which I also suspect would also cause “Carmen”/the optomizer to eliminate a lot of extra long layovers (eg: 30 hour domestic, or 48+ international). So buyer beware, there is a downside to advocating for it.
12-18-2021 | 04:07 AM
#104
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Exactly. To add to that, IF we had Min Day, that same 4-day with a 28 hour layover would pay no less than 26:15. Which I also suspect would also cause “Carmen”/the optomizer to eliminate a lot of extra long layovers (eg: 30 hour domestic, or 48+ international). So buyer beware, there is a downside to advocating for it.
12-18-2021 | 04:42 AM
#105
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Exactly. To add to that, IF we had Min Day, that same 4-day with a 28 hour layover would pay no less than 26:15. Which I also suspect would also cause “Carmen”/the optomizer to eliminate a lot of extra long layovers (eg: 30 hour domestic, or 48+ international). So buyer beware, there is a downside to advocating for it.
My category has a grand total of 4 rotations with 30+ hour layover, no big loss there. Aside from the associated body clock flip, I've enjoyed the occasional 30 hours layover, but I certainly wouldn't pass on a min day because we might lose 30 hour layovers. I'd like to see the union get access to Carmen and publish two bid packets for the pilots to see what it would look like with/without min day.
12-18-2021 | 04:45 AM
#106
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Honestly at this point it's worth the risk. Those trips have gotten so brutal on the days you're flying that you can't even enjoy your day off. You're either recovering from getting slammed or resting up for the marathon that lies ahead, not to mention the clock flip. I had a 5 day last month with a 29 hr layover on day 2 and it was probably the most tiring trip I've had so far this year - 25:57 of block over the other 4 days
12-18-2021 | 05:07 AM
#108
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It all depends on how the min per day is defined in your contract. At United, your trip would be perfectly legal, and we have our share of them. We have a minimum 5 hr/day rig. All that means is that your 3 day would have to pay at least 15 hours. Our “favorite” trips have imbedded red eye segments where you start out on a daytime trip, fly a red eye segment, and then transition back to day flying.
12-18-2021 | 05:27 AM
#109
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That's a fair position. No problems with folks advocating for that, so long as they fully realize what they are going "from" and "to". It is vitally important for us to genuinely understand both pros/cons of these kinds of "improvements", not simply that the 'grass sure is green over there'.
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