What is this?

 

With enough seniority. In order to reliably credit surf, you need to be a local and be able fly on a moment's notice. But you also have to be able to get rid of enough trips to be able to credit surf. You always make it sound like everyone can do it and that's disingenuous at best.

And, for pretty much any premium pay, we have a specific leveling mechanism that ensures fairness. The same should apply for all premium pays. ALV+15 is not a premium leveling mechanism

 

Let’s make a long story short and say you are correct. That means a very small subset of live in base pilots will be able to fill their schedule with SS. Again, if the majority of the pilot group fells that strongly about it the Union will get the language changed. Alas, we see how well the anti OOBWS campaign went. There are plenty of commuters that credit surf. A 320 or 73N commuter can drop their schedule and roam the operation in search of OOBWS with DHs on one or both ends. Multiple ways to skin the cat


There will always be something in the contract some see as “unfair”. Some don’t see inefficiencies in the PWA as “fair” or “unfair”, they just see the PWA a a puzzle to that can be solved in a time efficient way. Optimize Your Schedule as the Union eloquently puts it. Credit Surfers don’t scrutinize, they improvise.

 

You guys keep missing the point.

The original poster said that he knew of 2 people the drop mil leave that aren't doing any military duties.

All the other discussions that everyone else keeps bringing up is not what I'm talking about.

 

This is starting to feel like the “how to” guide of avoiding fatigue calls.

Just be more senior

 

Why does anyone care what someone else does? Want to drop mil leave while not doing mil stuff? I don’t care. You do you, boo boo. Want to credit surf? Cowabunga dude!

Airline pilots always seem to hold this unhealthy obsession with someone able to get a, “better deal” than them. I don’t get it. If I fly with a person working their angle I like it. More power to you.

If anything all these inefficiencies drive staffing. More pilots = more leverage.

 

No it’s not. Nowhere close to the same thing.
I believe it’s in the Green Book.

It’s pretty absurd to claim ALV+15 is a leveling mechanism. You know that isn’t the leveling mechanism anyone Is talking about, advocating for. When one pilot can get 13 days of SS on one PCS run, that’s not seniority. That’s oligarchy. It’s pretty absurd to claim ALV+15 is a leveling mechanism.


If GS has a leveling mechanism, there is no reasonable argument against having a SS counter.

 

That would be fraud and I would bet that it is very, very rare. You would have to be an idiot to do that. What is more common is not that blatant, but folks leveraging their MIL to improve their schedule above what their seniority could get them - illegal - No, not if they are doing MIL. Unethical - Maybe? I was the squadron OPs O years ago and I get a call from an airline Chief Pilot. It seems one of our more "resourceful" Pilots had moved an administrative drill to 23 December that coincidentally dropped a 4 day 23-26 December trip. Legal? Absolutely. But this period could have been performed anytime and did not need to be done on 23 December. It was moved specifically to get out of working Christmas when his seniority could not hold Christmas off. This kind of thing always rubbed me the wrong way and is probably the reason MIL Leave is not as easy as it used to be. I told the CP that he would have to talk to the CO since he approved the drill.

Is manipulating your schedule solely to improve QOL and not really fulfilling a Military need legal - Yes. Is it ethical? Much tougher question. Especially if junior folks are getting off forcing more senior Pilots to work.

Scoop

 

That's why I asked him if he reported him!

 

Want to fly drunk...I don't care. You do you, boo boo.