Originally Posted by ancman

The “gotta complete the mission” mentality, plus a docile pilot group, is management’s dream.

There’s no going back to that here. Their recent disregard for the contract has only sent them further past the point of no return.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

It didn't used to be this bad and well in the past we didn't exist in such a broken relationship. Probably well before you were hired (I'm assuming you relatively new here like ~10 years or so). However, being apathetic about it concerns me. You folks should be concerned about this reshuffling. It's truly a very antagonistic group that they've moved around to key positions in Flt Ops.

You can have all the resolve you want. However, they control your day to day life when on the job and they can make your life pretty miserable along the way. Sure, we can grieve it. But where has that gotten us? Recall the infamous "it's not a grievance until the arbitrator says so". So unless, until, that process runs out, our lives while on the job (and to some extent off time) become pretty unsavory. Going back to your tenure here, perhaps you don't recognize the names that were moved in to key positions or their history. Nothing about these moves is a good thing for this pilot group.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy

Point of order: the direct quote was "its not a VIOLATION until the arbitrator says it is". Otherwise, I agree with your points. These moves in Flight Ops management are concerning, especially considering we have Section 6 coming up. Prepare to buckle up!

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

It didn't used to be this bad and well in the past we didn't exist in such a broken relationship. Probably well before you were hired (I'm assuming you relatively new here like ~10 years or so). However, being apathetic about it concerns me. You folks should be concerned about this reshuffling. It's truly a very antagonistic group that they've moved around to key positions in Flt Ops.

You can have all the resolve you want. However, they control your day to day life when on the job and they can make your life pretty miserable along the way. Sure, we can grieve it. But where has that gotten us? Recall the infamous "it's not a grievance until the arbitrator says so". So unless, until, that process runs out, our lives while on the job (and to some extent off time) become pretty unsavory. Going back to your tenure here, perhaps you don't recognize the names that were moved in to key positions or their history. Nothing about these moves is a good thing for this pilot group.

Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

Who is this new system chief WC? I don't remember him, he might have been there before my time. Is he good people? Or no?

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

It didn't used to be this bad and well in the past we didn't exist in such a broken relationship. Probably well before you were hired (I'm assuming you relatively new here like ~10 years or so). However, being apathetic about it concerns me. You folks should be concerned about this reshuffling. It's truly a very antagonistic group that they've moved around to key positions in Flt Ops.

You can have all the resolve you want. However, they control your day to day life when on the job and they can make your life pretty miserable along the way. Sure, we can grieve it. But where has that gotten us? Recall the infamous "it's not a grievance until the arbitrator says so". So unless, until, that process runs out, our lives while on the job (and to some extent off time) become pretty unsavory. Going back to your tenure here, perhaps you don't recognize the names that were moved in to key positions or their history. Nothing about these moves is a good thing for this pilot group.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

??????

Been here a long time. Not sure what you are talking about or insinuating here.

Originally Posted by dmhpilot

I wish I knew what the LCP meant when he said leadership wanted to bring it back. He couldn’t clearly articulate wha that meant…but that “professional standards had gotten very lax with all the recent hiring and they wanted to get back to Delta’s roots.”

It was a strange comment and a strange discussion point.

Originally Posted by cencal83406

passing along this fun ridbit:

”uniform compliance is going to be a sticking point with verbal warning to start, 2nd time write up, subsequently sent to ATL for talk with BS”

At least ATL guys won’t have far to go. Also you get paid 5.15 now to do it. Don’t forget union representation. That’ll be a 10.30 day of cost to the company.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

So, I guess no one seems to care about the massive flight ops re-org just announced yesterday??? You should probably pay attention to the shuffling and re-org here, we've got some not so pilot friendly people back in the chairs again. I was sad to see BS move over to CSSC. I'm hoping they are broadening him to eventually take over from JL.