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07-20-2025 | 10:32 AM

#8881

SideStickMonkey

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Originally Posted by Gspeed

it’s completely true. Reserve greenslips create more greenslips for everyone because they are essentially greenslips with conflict.

Our last SS fest, we had people all up and down the seniority list grab SS.

They also were spread out over the remaining month.

Yes, we need to protect PB days because the company wants that but SS has been used so little, it isn’t the PB killer some people like some people want you to believe.

The company violating the 23m7 negotiation, skipping coverage ladders and just awarding IAs is killing more PB days than SS ever have.

07-20-2025 | 11:07 AM

#8882

DWC CAP10 USAF

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From: Looking left

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Originally Posted by cencal83406

As they have been permitted by the TC ladders for a long time. Being for or against OOBRES coverage is similar in nature to the OOBWS brouhaha.

When you see a trip NOOP to get covered by OOBRES, it better be the whole dang thing plus DHs as needed. If it’s not the full rotation, it’s a PWA violation.

If they don’t find anyone, the original rotation should be REOP to accomplish the next step.

I never said they weren't allowed per the PWA....I was telling the person that I responded to why someone wouldn't want to "wait for the GS" because that GS may never come.

I've watched many a trip that I thought would come to me as a greedy....when they do get shipped OOB, I find them....most are the full trip...the ones that get broken up I file ACE/STS reports on them.

07-20-2025 | 11:16 AM

#8883

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Originally Posted by crewdawg

As far as leveling. We still have some SS still sitting in open time that have been up for grabs for 4 PCS cycles now.

Same in our category. There are still multiple soaked 5 day SS which are very hard to make room for, and someone would need 30 hours of pickup available. Difficult to make happen with low staffing.

Last edited by immolated; 07-20-2025 at 11:38 AM.

07-20-2025 | 11:19 AM

#8884

Meme In Command

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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester

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Originally Posted by Frank Grimes

Abusing mil leave is what he wrote, taking mil leave and not performing military duties.

That comes from the misconception that people drop mil leave and DONT perform mil duty to optimize their schedules.

The truth of the matter is there's plenty of other mil related work to be done outside scheduled monthly drill weekends. Additional flight periods for currency, staff work, leadership role duties, etc... it's not hard to get on a pay status to do extra work. It doesn't require "orders", and it's not lying or doing anything shady.

So a pilot drops a trip they don't "like" to perform unscheduled mil duties. Is it really "abusing" mil leave to go do work that pays significantly less?. Trust me, everyone that's dropped a Delta trip to perform mil duties at some point during the day will bust out a calculator to figure out how much money they're missing out on. 2x pain if you got a GS call while at drill.

07-20-2025 | 11:29 AM

#8885

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Originally Posted by Meme In Command

That comes from the misconception that people drop mil leave and DONT perform mil duty to optimize their schedules.

The truth of the matter is there's plenty of other mil related work to be done outside scheduled monthly drill weekends. Additional flight periods for currency, staff work, leadership role duties, etc... it's not hard to get on a pay status to do extra work. It doesn't require "orders", and it's not lying or doing anything shady.

So a pilot drops a trip they don't "like" to perform unscheduled mil duties. Is it really "abusing" mil leave to go do work that pays significantly less?. Trust me, everyone that's dropped a Delta trip to perform mil duties at some point during the day will bust out a calculator to figure out how much money they're missing out on. 2x pain if you got a GS call while at drill.

Exactly right. Mil leave to drop an unwanted trip, or to clear your schedule for a great trip on the swap board, is a legal action. Placing a single drill on one day of a trip, and then actually performing a military duty for that drill (whether flying or administrative or anything else), is a totally legitimate course of action.

07-20-2025 | 11:31 AM

#8886

Softheborder

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Kudos to the the crew of this 765 & the appropriate use of the Fuel Cutoff Switch…

https://youtu.be/2Wt0c5Cvmcg?feature=shared

07-20-2025 | 11:31 AM

#8887

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Originally Posted by immolated

Same in our category. There are 5 day SS which are very hard to make room for, and someone would need 30 hours of pickup available. Difficult to make happen with low staffing.

I would argue that the super senior who grab 98% of the SS are senior (and experienced) enough to drop their entire schedule on the swap board, or through bad coverage/worse coverage SWP. It’s really not that hard.

I said it last week, but I saw one ‘area code’ in my category pick up 13 days of SS in 1 run. That’s total BS.

SS desperately need a leveling mechanism. AND they need to be made available to Reserve.

07-20-2025 | 11:39 AM

#8888

crewdawg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Meme In Command

The truth of the matter is there's plenty of other mil related work to be done outside scheduled monthly drill weekends. Additional flight periods for currency, staff work, leadership role duties, etc... it's not hard to get on a pay status to do extra work. It doesn't require "orders", and it's not lying or doing anything shady.

Yup. Also remember that you don't even have to be getting paid by the military on every mloa day because you can use it for travel days to get into position.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meme In Command

So a pilot drops a trip they don't "like" to perform unscheduled mil duties. Is it really "abusing" mil leave to go do work that pays significantly less?. Trust me, everyone that's dropped a Delta trip to perform mil duties at some point during the day will bust out a calculator to figure out how much money they're missing out on. 2x pain if you got a GS call while at drill.

This! I lost WAY more money by dropping MLOA, than I ever gained...easily lost well into the six figures.

07-20-2025 | 11:42 AM

#8889

CBreezy

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Originally Posted by FangsF15

I don't agree with the reserve part. Reserve GS is already substantially more beneficial to reserve pay and QOL than a line holder.

07-20-2025 | 11:52 AM

#8890

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

I don't agree with the reserve part. Reserve GS is already substantially more beneficial to reserve pay and QOL than a line holder.

Huh? I could not disagree more. I’ve lived both lives.

Why not just take GS away from Res then? What’s the difference???

Why keep Res from getting the PB days that would come from the exact same trip going Green?