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Old 07-21-2025 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryler
Again, apples and oranges. A mil pilot manipulating their schedule with mil leave isn’t directly undermining our PWA like a pilot making side deals with CS is…
Yes it is…

if said pilot can’t drop their schedule without Mil leave, it’s screwing a pilot on RSV or someone senior that could use their APD/IVD.

Sooo many ways we can skin this cat, these are some of them. Also if they decide to use their MIL leave to pick a SS that they couldn’t pick up because it conflicts with the trip dropped.
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Old 07-21-2025 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
We'll just have to leave this simply as a difference in opinion. I doubt SS changes in the next contract.


Well that’s just, like, your opinion man. It seems a majority of us would like some kind of leveling mechanism for SS. I doubt it doesn’t change in c26.
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Old 07-21-2025 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by skitheline
Well that’s just, like, your opinion man. It seems a majority of us would like some kind of leveling mechanism for SS. I doubt it doesn’t change in c26.
Some of us would like Silver Slips to just go away. Disclaimer: I don't roll thunder or roll anything.

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Old 07-21-2025 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Without proof WMB's post is right up there with the 787-10 order. It's just speculation or accusation in this case until the facts come out. If WMB can't "bring the receipts" to the CPO it is besmirching service members on a public forum.
You don’t have to believe me, it’s ok. One’s a loudmouth, possible he’s just trying to make people think his the “f$@k the rules I do what I want” kind of dude and not the giant tool he is. Second actually left for FedEx during Covid. So I goes KNOW was a little strong (but the one who isn’t here for sure was doing it).
I do not in any way think it’s very many people, too many smart people out there to know how bad this can screw them. And while the example someone put out there was doing drill on the 23rd just to drop a trip that went over Christmas they couldn’t hold off is completely scummy, but legal, and probably caused someone to have to go in over Christmas that may have been able to avoid it on reserve sitting at home, so whatever. Highly unlikely that far out that it got dropped that it ended up going as a GS.
I guess I kicked a hornets nest.
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Old 07-21-2025 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by All 5 Stages
Some of us would like Silver Slips to just go away. Disclaimer: I don't roll thunder or roll anything.

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It’s going in my survey, and if they stay, a leveling mechanism. Like only being able to pick up one per PCS cycle.
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Old 07-21-2025 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
You don’t have to believe me, it’s ok. One’s a loudmouth, possible he’s just trying to make people think his the “f$@k the rules I do what I want” kind of dude and not the giant tool he is. Second actually left for FedEx during Covid. So I goes KNOW was a little strong (but the one who isn’t here for sure was doing it).
I do not in any way think it’s very many people, too many smart people out there to know how bad this can screw them. And while the example someone put out there was doing drill on the 23rd just to drop a trip that went over Christmas they couldn’t hold off is completely scummy, but legal, and probably caused someone to have to go in over Christmas that may have been able to avoid it on reserve sitting at home, so whatever. Highly unlikely that far out that it got dropped that it ended up going as a GS.
I guess I kicked a hornets nest.
The CPO can absolutely call a mil members commander to verify service during the requested mil leave period. The military often has 24/7 365 manning requirements. They volunteered, the avail themselves to all sorts of unpleasantness, deployment and other things. In your opinion you don't like it. Sorry, but they have commitments and obligations. Again, CPOs can make a call.

you have no proof to offer here other than anecdotal postulations. If you do have proof of recent systemic abuse of MLOA, I'll eat my hat (assuming I can find it)

You are barking up the wrong tree here with this stuff.
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Old 07-21-2025 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
You'd think, but we have SS in open time but we have enough blue days that I can drop my entire line next month.
I might not be a smart man but I know what a SS is... mean while CS has been on the ledge doing lines and has pictures in a magazine... They are still going to be happy that you looked them up and took that SS.. his name is silver i named after his daddy.. lol
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Old 07-21-2025 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
The CPO can absolutely call a mil members commander to verify service during the requested mil leave period. The military often has 24/7 365 manning requirements. They volunteered, the avail themselves to all sorts of unpleasantness, deployment and other things. In your opinion you don't like it. Sorry, but they have commitments and obligations. Again, CPOs can make a call.

you have no proof to offer here other than anecdotal postulations. If you do have proof of recent systemic abuse of MLOA, I'll eat my hat (assuming I can find it)

You are barking up the wrong tree here with this stuff.
Reservists with airline jobs often DON'T avail themselves for those unpleasant things. Often, they specifically make themselves unavailable and fenced by their leadership to avoid the worst taskings and trips that their active duty brethren are then stuck with, while siphoning off all the easy work and high-QOL trips.

You don't have to believe me and I won't name names on a forum. But I saw that abuse from the mil side of things while a scheduler on active duty, and I see it now in the 121 world. I've actually had people openly confess in the cockpit to what I would consider abuses of mil leave. It's real, and it may be rare, but not exceedingly rare. The military is populated with great folks, but it's not totally devoid of selfishness and self-serving personalities.
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Old 07-21-2025 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
The CPO can absolutely call a mil members commander to verify service during the requested mil leave period. The military often has 24/7 365 manning requirements. They volunteered, the avail themselves to all sorts of unpleasantness, deployment and other things. In your opinion you don't like it. Sorry, but they have commitments and obligations. Again, CPOs can make a call.

you have no proof to offer here other than anecdotal postulations. If you do have proof of recent systemic abuse of MLOA, I'll eat my hat (assuming I can find it)

You are barking up the wrong tree here with this stuff.
Gee, I seem to have touched a nerve. I told you about the 2 I knew of. That was it. I’m not sure what tree you think I’m barking up? Except for me saying it’s happened?
Don’t worry, if you ever need a hat to eat I’ll buy you a brand new one to eat.
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Old 07-21-2025 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by OnceAlways
Reservists with airline jobs often DON'T avail themselves for those unpleasant things. Often, they specifically make themselves unavailable and fenced by their leadership to avoid the worst taskings and trips that their active duty brethren are then stuck with, while siphoning off all the easy work and high-QOL trips.

You don't have to believe me and I won't name names on a forum. But I saw that abuse from the mil side of things while a scheduler on active duty, and I see it now in the 121 world. I've actually had people openly confess in the cockpit to what I would consider abuses of mil leave. It's real, and it may be rare, but not exceedingly rare. The military is populated with great folks, but it's not totally devoid of selfishness and self-serving personalities.
Guard/Res stealing good deals from the AD is a tale as old as time 😂
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