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Old 09-26-2025 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Extenda
We’re starting Porto next spring. So we got that going for us. Which is nice.
Rico??????
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Old 09-26-2025 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by marcal
what am I missing? Guys wanna get paid re-route pay when they literally get to go straight home and aren’t rerouted?

This is the type of thing that backfires every which way.

The company’s just gonna say screw it no more deviating. I don’t care how any of you try to spin it, deviation on deadhead is a benefit for pilots.

trying to get paid reroute pay because you’re originally scheduled deadhead canceled, etc. is an overreach.
You're missing some math. For simplicity let's say 1 in 20 DHs (5%) get extra pay for unscheduled delays/EDP/RR/etc. So your average PWA-guaranteed DH pays 105% over the course of a career for someone who never deviates (Pilot A). Now lets say there is Pilot B who deviates every DH. Their deviated DHs have the same number of delays/cancellations/extra hotels, but they are never compensated for it. So they're being penalized 5% of PWA guaranteed pay, just for flying on other metal while experiencing the same number of delays and late arrivals home, and doing something that benefits the company.

Pilot B should not get less compensation than Pilot A over the course of a career for this.
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Old 09-26-2025 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by immolated
You're missing some math. For simplicity let's say 1 in 20 DHs (5%) get extra pay for unscheduled delays/EDP/RR/etc. So your average PWA-guaranteed DH pays 105% over the course of a career for someone who never deviates (Pilot A). Now lets say there is Pilot B who deviates every DH. Their deviated DHs have the same number of delays/cancellations/extra hotels, but they are never compensated for it. So they're being penalized 5% of PWA guaranteed pay, just for flying on other metal while experiencing the same number of delays and late arrivals home, and doing something that benefits the company.

Pilot B should not get less compensation than Pilot A over the course of a career for this.
Pilot B does have a choice! If a pilot is bought off a trip should he also get reroute, leg overage and other pay for the trip had he flown it?
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Old 09-26-2025 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
JFK to Porto......767-300

BOS to both Madrid and Nice on 330-900
Whatever happened to all the "this is the last summer of 767-300 international flying" I kept hearing?
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Old 09-26-2025 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
Whatever happened to all the "this next summer is the last summer of 767-300 international flying" I kept hearing?
Fixed it for you.
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Old 09-26-2025 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Pilot B does have a choice! If a pilot is bought off a trip should he also get reroute, leg overage and other pay for the trip had he flown it?
No, not the same thing.

After a DH gets delayed or re-routed, and the pay guarantee shows up on your time card, it's yours. If you deviate after that, that pay guarantee should be snap-shotted accordingly (but currently, it reverts back to as-scheduled).

Also, you cannot pickup any GS that conflicts with the original footprint of the trip, even if your deviated DH makes you now legal.

You can freely pickup anything over a bought-off trip with no restrictions, so the pilot isn't really handcuffed into being short-changed.

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Old 09-26-2025 | 12:04 PM
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Deviating saves time. You choose your compensation either less time at work for the same money or more time at work for more money. You vote with your feet.
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Old 09-26-2025 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by immolated

Pilot B should not get less compensation than Pilot A over the course of a career for this.
Gotta disagree here. That’s just the way the ball bounces. And that’s a terrible reason to justify not paying the DDH per the snapshot at time of deviation.
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Old 09-26-2025 | 01:37 PM
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if i drop a trip with payback days that later reroutes, should i get reroute pay?
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Old 09-26-2025 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Gotta disagree here. That’s just the way the ball bounces. And that’s a terrible reason to justify not paying the DDH per the snapshot at time of deviation.
Or just walk away…. If you don’t need a pos space seat to find your way home…. Just leave.
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