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05-27-2022 | 10:27 AM
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05-27-2022 | 10:34 AM
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No one knows what's in the AIP but based SOLELY on a PowerPoint screenshot and literally nothing else, people are saying "no way." That's dumb.
05-27-2022 | 10:36 AM
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Right, but that was kind of my point. Guys over there are discussing potential work rule improvements, how folks are going to wait until they can digest the entirety of the AIP before getting worked up, and so on. Which all makes sense of course, but it tells me that the leaked pay rates (I'll bet they're correct) aren't a deal breaker.
05-27-2022 | 11:18 AM
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Interesting strategy by their MEC. They are using all of their leverage/contract costing on soft items knowing that the pay rates they are setting for the industry will be unacceptable to the pilots of other carriers. By having first mover status they now force the other pilot groups to spend the majority of their leverage/costing on setting an appropriate pay table, instead of scheduling/soft gains. So, they presumably will end up with both. Kind of eye opening, I never thought pattern bargaining could be used to influence and take advantage of other pilot groups. I always thought the target was the company in pattern bargaining.
Agree this would never pass at Delta.
Agree this would never pass at Delta.
05-27-2022 | 11:22 AM
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14% over 5 years is terrible, but didn’t they get 5% or something from their COVID deal?
Again 20% raise over the years through 2024 wouldn’t be acceptable here, but I think they’ve had more recent raises than we have.
05-27-2022 | 11:27 AM
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Agreed. It will take raises effective in 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 with full retro at those rates to get a deal done. 2021 and 2022 will need double digits each year for any hope of success. Eye watering improvements in QOL could bring annual expectations down to single digits, but we're still looking at 20+% by Jan 2023 with retro.
05-27-2022 | 11:41 AM
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20% DOS or thumbs down. Simple as that.
FWIW in my 31 years here I have never seen morale as low as it currently is. Not even after chapter 11, a 46% haircut AND the loss of a pension and post retirement med has this pilot group been more unhappy with this company and it’s slick backed, used car salesman CEO.
Let’s have the strike vote.
FWIW in my 31 years here I have never seen morale as low as it currently is. Not even after chapter 11, a 46% haircut AND the loss of a pension and post retirement med has this pilot group been more unhappy with this company and it’s slick backed, used car salesman CEO.
Let’s have the strike vote.
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