Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 3520405)

Yes, retro is emotional. By my numbers on my earnings I’m due close to 100k.

Just raising the question here, before I get trampled on. Do we expect the company to pay out 1.5B in retro on top of contract by all estimates will be 2B or so? I think we need to get realistic here. Yes, retro holds the company accountable for dragging this out, but if folks think they are all going to be getting 100-150k checks plus rates from mid 20s/30% (on top of contractual gains) are going to be very disappointed.

In light of the impending economic environment that could get ugly fast , turning down a solid win contract over retro will cost us in the long run. Saying it here now on record. At some point time value money ( can’t believe I’m saying a Moak term) does come into effect.

We need to see the whole contract holistically and see how much the bonus/retro ends up being under that lens.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3520388)

If only we had opened for near the numbers many are now claiming as reasonable. We would not need retro because we likely would have completed the deal. What about DC retro?

Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 3520405)

Just raising the question here, before I get trampled on. Do we expect the company to pay out 1.5B in retro on top of contract by all estimates will be 2B or so?

Originally Posted by interceptorpilo (Post 3520439)

I won’t be unhappy. I fully expect to be brought an AIP that falls well short or we just get parked. Either way it is part of the process. Drawing this out will get worse and worse for Delta.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3520499)

3.5 billion by your numbers for improvements delayed 3 years 1.2B per year of PWA. That’s reasonable. Plus escalator raises of course. BTW those pay % increases were completely affordable for FAs.

Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3520505)

The company had twice as many section 23 change proposals as we did…and our negotiators were following the lead of their constituents who have stated they wanted a comprehensive PWA scrub this round.

I know you honestly think we could have reached a quick deal with the company’s junior varsity negotiators in 2019 because you say it so frequently. But I am honestly curious if you have ever spoken with another human being who thinks the company would have signed an expeditious deal that pilots would have ratified?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3520519)

the mec set the expectations. Had they started with setting reasonable expectations and stated why they were reasonable yes i think a ratifiable contract by the amendable date was possible. I posted back when our conceptually opener was published it meant we were not going to see a ta for many years and when we did it would be for what we could have had upfront anyway. Turns out it’s going to be worse than that. Expectations sure have dropped like a stone in the last 6 months. I once posted i expected about 1 billion a year in contractual improvements. Looks like we will be lucky to get even that and will have lost a entire 3 year contract cycle. What a disaster for the pilot group going forward.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3520523)

incoming!!!!!!

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3520526)

The truth hurts. When you ignore even what the professionals you hire tell you is plausible a good result is not likely.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3520546)

The opener was conceptual. Just recently have we started discussing real $. Management has stalled internationally.