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11-18-2022 | 08:55 AM

#161

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

You can bet that they will have the correct numbers at the table. In the last year full data was tabulated available pilot payroll was 4,38 billion in 2018. That does not include benefit costs or PS. 2019 would have included a 4% raise or about 160 million more.

So we use a rule of thumb to generate a ball park figure then multiply by 4%? I feel like that is not an easy way to determine PWA costs. A rule of thumb probably doesn’t come that close to a 15% accuracy, let alone figuring out single digit raises.

Look, I like that you try to remain in the real world and not get caught up in the hyperbole that lives on the forum, but I hope you’re not basing too much of your contract cost talk off of this math.

11-18-2022 | 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Nantonaku

I checked my email for his campaign letter and didn’t find one of those either.

You don't matter in that campaign. You don't honestly think the rank and file had any say in his installation do you?

11-18-2022 | 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

You don't matter in that campaign. You don't honestly think the rank and file had any say in his installation do you?

You did by who you and your fellow domicile pilots voted for in the LEC elections.

It’s funny how people say they want a bottom-up organization but apparently don’t know what bottom-up means.

11-18-2022 | 01:00 PM

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Possibly Gspeed. I would love to see how many people asked my 44 reps to vote for RA? We will never know, same as survey results. If the constituency asked their reps to vote for him, and they didn’t, that’s hardly bottom up.

11-18-2022 | 01:02 PM

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Possibly Gspeed. I would love to see how many people asked my 44 reps to vote for RA? We will never know, ala polling results. If the constituency asked their reps to vote for him, and they didn’t, that’s hardly bottom up.

It’s irrelevant. The LEC reps work for the line pilots and therefore are elected by them.

The MEC officers work for the LEC reps and therefore are elected by them.

11-18-2022 | 01:04 PM

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It’s irrelevant because we, the dues paying members, don’t get a vote. It’s relevant if our input is ignored.

11-18-2022 | 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tanker1497

It’s irrelevant because we, the dues paying members, don’t get a vote. It’s relevant if our input is ignored.

Maybe. Are you saying that the 50-100 pilots who voiced an opinion should have more sway than each LEC rep’s personal knowledge of a candidate’s position, attitude, behavior, work ethic, etc.? The officer is, after all, going to be directly working for and representing said LEC rep.

What about the domicile pilots who know that their vote in an LEC election will also impact any number of future MEC officer elections? I make my decision in LEC elections with these matters in mind. Maybe you don’t?

If you want to have a direct vote for the MEC officers, then go have fun with the APA’s train wreck of a system.

11-18-2022 | 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux

Indeed.

Everyone should bid reserve, no matter seniority, base, equipment type, staffing, or position, and they too may have this amazing GS/bank days lifestyle.

All 15,000 of us.

I’ve no prob with anyone who exercised a negotiated contractual benefit. Since at least half (probably much more) of the group will never be able to “roll thunder” though, I don’t care very much if it gets tweaked.

In normal times, this wasn’t an issue. In 2022, it’s pretty clear luck of the draw provided unanticipated windfalls for some.

Especially if the tweaking provides overall benefits for the many, not the few. With biases for the senior, not the junior (union shop, seniority has preference. I don’t write the rules, but union shop seniority rules are well understood to be biased towards hire date)

I didn’t say should. I said could. There’s a difference there. If you aren’t willing to put yourself in the position to use the tool, you can’t claim those who are using it have monopolized greenslips. A reserve flying a greenslip opens up more days with low coverage resulting in more greenslip callouts. It’s up to you whether you take part or not.

11-18-2022 | 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gspeed

100 votes, maybe not. What about 1,000, 1,500? Point is, we’ll never know that data. As to voting for my rep, I can only go by their letters. In C44, those are often only used to get elected. After that, the real rep presents. The best/worst example of this would be the only failed TA in our history. As to APA’s system, you know more than I do. That said, I think the members having more input will always be better than less.

11-18-2022 | 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gspeed

It’s irrelevant. The LEC reps work for the line pilots and therefore are elected by them.

The MEC officers work for the LEC reps and therefore are elected by them.

Ok, but if the MEC chairman is accountable to the LEC reps if he starts to go his/her own way, No?

Is the same not true of the LEC reps and it’s membership? Of course it is.

They aren’t elected to be king. A representative is, at his/her core, there to represent me and my fellow pilots. There are exceptions, but I generally expect them to follow the will of their constituencies.