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Old 11-17-2022, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Start with the quarterly and annual reports. We are about ⅓ of the total employee expenses.
I thought you were talking about the MIT data. The financial statements have never broken out pilot only costs. The about 1/3 is a rule of thumb and I have never seen data to justify it other than best guesses. I’ve heard 38% also.
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MC from 66 sent an email explaining his votes. This part is interesting to me. DH brings an approach that will get us across the finish line in Section 6 in a timely manner,…

Timely and successful TAs haven’t happened in a long time.


I don’t know much about either of the candidates that got votes. I’m part of 66, but have never met my reps. To me TK has seemed ok from his com emails. I do think MC’s vote is questionable. The pilots that elected TK to represent them probably would have wanted him to be the MEC chair too.

Even with my doubts about our new MEC chairman, I think it is too soon to recall reps. Save the hammer for when/if they deliver an unsatisfactory TA.
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Old 11-17-2022, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
If these conversations happened behind closed doors, it's pretty disrespectful for them to be leaked. I want reps who aren't afraid to be a dissenting voice behind closed doors as long as the right decision is eventually made. So maybe he wanted to wait? Maybe he wanted to do it earlier? It's all irrelevant because he eventually voted for it. You know his opponent voted no on? LOA 20-04. Imagine if we had true dissenting voices during the TA1 fiasco.
After considering your comment, I deleted my post. MEMRAT will prevail.
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Old 11-17-2022, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7 View Post
The MEC Chair does not provide direction to the NC….the MEC does
However, the MEC does not run for the coveted big money ALPA President job… the MEC Chair does.

And imho that is why the MEC Chair is the most powerful person in that room and the most in charge of the NC.
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Old 11-17-2022, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Vsop View Post
MC from 66 sent an email explaining his votes. This part is interesting to me. DH brings an approach that will get us across the finish line in Section 6 in a timely manner,…

Timely and successful TAs haven’t happened in a long time.


I don’t know much about either of the candidates that got votes. I’m part of 66, but have never met my reps. To me TK has seemed ok from his com emails. I do think MC’s vote is questionable. The pilots that elected TK to represent them probably would have wanted him to be the MEC chair too.

Even with my doubts about our new MEC chairman, I think it is too soon to recall reps. Save the hammer for when/if they deliver an unsatisfactory TA.
I am with you in 66. TK has been a decent rep, returned my emails and phone calls, went to bat for me with CPO over Covid Nofly issue, and has been overall a good pilot advocate. I was disappointed that MC (66vice chair) voted against him, but ,…maybe …there is more to the story. I read MC ‘s email to Us explaining ,but it falls short of the telling why he voted and the whole story. I don’t know if I will support a recall of MC, as there has to be more details coming forth, but I am leaning towards TC and why didn’t you support the 66 chair.
Really need more info.
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Old 11-17-2022, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DisMyGamerTag View Post
However, the MEC does not run for the coveted big money ALPA President job… the MEC Chair does.

And imho that is why the MEC Chair is the most powerful person in that room and the most in charge of the NC.
The way this plays out is with the MEC chairman inserting himself into the committee and direct negotiations. Once this happens the NC and the MEC chairman butt heads. The next most common act is the NC resigning “for personal reasons” or “in protest.” Either result put the MEC chair in the negotiating drivers seat as either an interim or out right NC.
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux View Post
Feel much the same way.

This is not a popular opinion on this board, however.

(To be fair, if I had a de facto monopoly on GS and extra days off, I wouldn't want that contract sniping loop to disappear either. )
If you bid reserve, you too could fly reserve GS and receive PB days. it’s not a monopoly. Little known secret, everyone is eligible to bid reserve.
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Originally Posted by Vsop View Post
MC from 66 sent an email explaining his votes. This part is interesting to me. DH brings an approach that will get us across the finish line in [color=black]Section 6 in a timely manner,…
We have to be careful with some of these smaller changes. For example, everyone cites how much of a win TA2 was, but TA2 also changed the callout ladder and ushered in the reroute fiasco the domestic side deals with today. A small change, massive impacts. And if you are one of the junior to mid-pack NB-A's that bid down to WB-B over the loss of QOL then that subtle change may have cost you financially.

Since the early 2000's the company has only closed bases, not opened them. They kept CVG open FOREVER because the LEC was notorious for providing the company with HAZZARDOUS yes votes when needed. The company would like to open VB's but that is another massive abrogation of seniority in and of itself. With something like 50% DH pay, this will really incentivize the company to deadhead pilots all over the place to staff airports that are likely already FA bases. If one thinks they are getting slingshot across the system now chasing IROPS, just wait until it only costs half as much! If the company is parking something like DH, then they see massive gains.
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Old 11-17-2022, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JustNarced View Post
We have to be careful with some of these smaller changes. For example, everyone cites how much of a win TA2 was, but TA2 also changed the callout ladder and ushered in the reroute fiasco the domestic side deals with today. A small change, massive impacts. And if you are one of the junior to mid-pack NB-A's that bid down to WB-B over the loss of QOL then that subtle change may have cost you financially.

Since the early 2000's the company has only closed bases, not opened them. They kept CVG open FOREVER because the LEC was notorious for providing the company with HAZZARDOUS yes votes when needed. The company would like to open VB's but that is another massive abrogation of seniority in and of itself. With something like 50% DH pay, this will really incentivize the company to deadhead pilots all over the place to staff airports that are likely already FA bases. If one thinks they are getting slingshot across the system now chasing IROPS, just wait until it only costs half as much! If the company is parking something like DH, then they see massive gains.
The DH in the post you quoted stands for our new MEC Chair, not the ride in the back of a plane.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Start with the quarterly and annual reports. We are about ⅓ of the total employee expenses.
ALPA E&FA would laugh you out of the room. These types of costs are not easy to determine without in-depth knowledge of a particular contract.
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