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Old 11-16-2022 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Correct, and why do they need that additional vehicle?
because they desire a tax shelter over gains. I do not. Hence the optionality part of the LOA
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Old 11-16-2022 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Correct, and why do they need that additional vehicle?
They needed something to put the min balance plus up payment into that would be shielded from taxes for the guys about to retire.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
...IF there are unintended overages. I'm losing earnings potential on 30% of my retirement overages.
And when your tax deferred income in retirement is as high as your wage income you will lose the 30% then.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
And when your tax deferred income in retirement is as high as your wage income you will lose the 30% then.
Youns don't understand compounding, do you? Or discretionary withdrawals.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Youn don't understand compounding, do you? Or discretionary withdrawals.
You don't understand compounding if you want your money to be in a vehicle that underperforms the market.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
You don't understand compounding if you want your money to be in a vehicle that underperforms the market.
A small income generating low risk portion, which is part of a diversified retirement that tapers risk for security over time, yup. How much overage do think we will have when the income threshold is $330,000 and increases every year? If you are saying there's going to be overages for roughly the bottom half of the seniority list, you're wrong.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Youns don't understand compounding, do you? Or discretionary withdrawals.
hillarious.

Do me a favor. Run the numbers on 100k invested pretax with whatever rate of return you want for 10 years. Then withdraw at a 30% tax rate. Then do the same thing with paying 30% tax up front, same growth rate for 10 years. Let me know which is better. I’ll give you a hint it’s exactly the same. You don’t gain anything by investing your taxes if the rate coming out is the same.

Of course there are other factors like capital gains and that’s where assumptions on rates of return and future tax brackets come in. But deferring just to defer is a fools errand.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
A small income generating low risk portion, which is part of a diversified retirement that tapers risk for security over time, yup. How much overage do think we will have when the income threshold is $330,000 and increases every year? If you are saying there's going to be overages for roughly the bottom half of the seniority list, you're wrong.
Do you expect pay rates and the DC% to stay the same?
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Old 11-16-2022 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
hillarious.

Do me a favor. Run the numbers on 100k invested pretax with whatever rate of return you want for 10 years. Then withdraw at a 30% tax rate. Then do the same thing with paying 30% tax up front, same growth rate for 10 years. Let me know which is better. I’ll give you a hint it’s exactly the same. You don’t gain anything by investing your taxes if the rate coming out is the same.

Of course there are other factors like capital gains and that’s where assumptions on rates of return and future tax brackets come in. But deferring just to defer is a fools errand.
Reducing invested capital and paying taxes not yet due is the fool's errand.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
Do you expect pay rates and the DC% to stay the same?
Nope, but I do expect the DC to go to 20% so the company is fully funding the 401k. Any additional earnings above $330,000 next year will be a nice bonus. Do you think the current GSs will continue indefinitely?
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