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11-18-2022, 07:36 PM
#171
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Word on the street is full retro is unlikely and that the mediator sides with the company about exempting 2020.
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11-18-2022, 07:41 PM
#172
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Originally Posted by Der Meister
Then it's a simple no vote and we are back in mediation. Seems dumb but ok
11-18-2022, 08:23 PM
#173
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Originally Posted by konabear
If only the top dogs wouldn’t have given each other bonuses while taking government money.., but they did. Now they can pay us, too.No retro =‘no’ vote.
11-18-2022, 08:44 PM
#174
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Eh... Before everyone gets militant about full retro, if the mediator has some opinions about us being unlikely or wrong for asking for 2020 you should all take that into account.
Firstly i will wait for the union to speak on the mediator even if its months from now. Its important to keep in mind the nmb is who releases us, we dont just get fed up and go dance in a circle with signs. IF the NMB were giving us feedback in any area, or the mediator is giving us back feedback in any area, thats important stuff. Its stuff that keeps you from getting parked.
I am comfortable waiting for the unions side on things, i would hope everyone would keep an open mind as this isnt the very last bargaining cycle for most of us.
Firstly i will wait for the union to speak on the mediator even if its months from now. Its important to keep in mind the nmb is who releases us, we dont just get fed up and go dance in a circle with signs. IF the NMB were giving us feedback in any area, or the mediator is giving us back feedback in any area, thats important stuff. Its stuff that keeps you from getting parked.
I am comfortable waiting for the unions side on things, i would hope everyone would keep an open mind as this isnt the very last bargaining cycle for most of us.
11-19-2022, 01:46 AM
#177
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As you guys start negotiating pay rates, check your proposed rates against the current rates and see if it meets your expectations in this pilot market and in this environment:
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com
You're setting the trend, and you know the company never hesitates a nanosecond to seek concessions, threaten furloughs, and do other ham-fisted bean counting when things get dicey.
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com
You're setting the trend, and you know the company never hesitates a nanosecond to seek concessions, threaten furloughs, and do other ham-fisted bean counting when things get dicey.
11-19-2022, 03:26 AM
#178
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Word on the street is full retro is unlikely and that the mediator sides with the company about exempting 2020.
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Weird, I’ve never heard that.
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11-19-2022, 03:45 AM
#179
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Originally Posted by Broncos;[url=tel:3534286
3534286[/url]]This notion of no retro for 2020 is yet another management trial balloon. Covid may have happened in 2020, but we STILL worked. Inflation STILL happened. FULL Retro to the Amendable Date, not one day less.
11-19-2022, 04:42 AM
#180
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
How so? There are no facts because there isn’t a contract. Sailing threw out a WAG of negativity because he didn’t agree with the method. Now he says he’s correct because he said a billion even though he’s admitted the value has surpassed that by a third with some big portions left to go. He can’t prove the final value of this contract just like he can’t prove his way would have worked better.
He now needs to stop throwing out lowballs and talking of how everyone will settle for less than at the beginning of negotiations. In other words, unite with the pilot group and support the NC in their task.
He now needs to stop throwing out lowballs and talking of how everyone will settle for less than at the beginning of negotiations. In other words, unite with the pilot group and support the NC in their task.
