18/5/5/5
11-18-2022 | 09:17 AM
#141
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 2,905
Likes: 99
Well its not about liking or hating. Soft pay stuff used to be the way, but then management figured out how much that cost them, so they want to push us to rates.
Ideally, sure, sailing is right. But if we can see that so can management and theyre still gonna slow walk negotiations. To pretend othwrwise is silly
Ideally, sure, sailing is right. But if we can see that so can management and theyre still gonna slow walk negotiations. To pretend othwrwise is silly
11-18-2022 | 09:35 AM
#142
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 5,130
Likes: 92
Did you all get leaked a ratified contract that I haven’t heard about yet???
We’ll know if “Sailing was right” only when we each can evaluate whether the eventual ratified contract was worth the wait. My hunch is that answer will also differ from one pilot to the next. This contract sets a vector for my next couple decades of work, so it’s as much about what we gain in the short term as what precedents we do and don’t set for ourselves and the industry at large.
I cringe to imagine what management would have required to sign an early contract in 2019. Thank goodness that didn’t happen.
We’ll know if “Sailing was right” only when we each can evaluate whether the eventual ratified contract was worth the wait. My hunch is that answer will also differ from one pilot to the next. This contract sets a vector for my next couple decades of work, so it’s as much about what we gain in the short term as what precedents we do and don’t set for ourselves and the industry at large.
I cringe to imagine what management would have required to sign an early contract in 2019. Thank goodness that didn’t happen.
11-18-2022 | 09:51 AM
#143
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 20,871
Likes: 189
A extreme shortage of pilots at their level they gave management two choices. Shutdown in the very near term or pay a huge price to downsize dramatically but orderly and survive as smaller airlines. Delta just cut the interview rate back because they have to many pilots in the pool.
11-18-2022 | 10:38 AM
#145
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,844
Likes: 0
From: 765-A
A extreme shortage of pilots at their level they gave management two choices. Shutdown in the very near term or pay a huge price to downsize dramatically but orderly and survive as smaller airlines. Delta just cut the interview rate back because they have to many pilots in the pool.
We just had 20 unfilled NYC 7er captain positions on the last AE and the junior award went to someone hired 6 months ago.
Maybe times are changing.
11-18-2022 | 10:56 AM
#146
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 1,021
Likes: 0
Really? Always taking the Company side. It’s just tiring. How about the Company has walked back their demands? I am sure where their demands are now are less than when the process started.
11-18-2022 | 11:28 AM
#147
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,292
Likes: 0
From: A350 Both
I’m speaking figuratively. That’s fine if you think that, though.
My opinion is based off the fact that certain players on this board constantly undermine our NC. Our union has asked us not to negotiate in public. To me, anyone who does is doing management’s job for them…hence my comment.
I agree and disagree with much that you, Trip, OOff, Sailing, scoop, tegridy or any of the other frequent posters put on the board. However to me, negotiating in public is a red line that shouldn’t be crossed, no matter your opinion on it. Save your opinions for the NH Polling phone calls or talking directly to your reps.
The 18/5/5/5 thread should be closed. Just one guy’s opinion.
My opinion is based off the fact that certain players on this board constantly undermine our NC. Our union has asked us not to negotiate in public. To me, anyone who does is doing management’s job for them…hence my comment.
I agree and disagree with much that you, Trip, OOff, Sailing, scoop, tegridy or any of the other frequent posters put on the board. However to me, negotiating in public is a red line that shouldn’t be crossed, no matter your opinion on it. Save your opinions for the NH Polling phone calls or talking directly to your reps.
The 18/5/5/5 thread should be closed. Just one guy’s opinion.
11-18-2022 | 11:32 AM
#148
On Reserve
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
A extreme shortage of pilots at their level they gave management two choices. Shutdown in the very near term or pay a huge price to downsize dramatically but orderly and survive as smaller airlines. Delta just cut the interview rate back because they have to many pilots in the pool.
11-18-2022 | 11:32 AM
#149
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,292
Likes: 0
From: A350 Both
Based on history I will wager it is ALPA.
11-18-2022 | 11:36 AM
#150
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 5,130
Likes: 92
