Trip7

If we don't get a deal done by year end, I see another trial balloon going up involving rumots of MBCBP hang ups, large six figure signing bonus offered, and management suggestion that bookings are starting to be impacted by a possible recession. At that point we'd enter an Avengers like Endgame. Anyone got popcorn?

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sailingfun

One example. Our vacation ask was a minimum of 256 hours assuming we did not get a improvement in ADG which was also a ask. More if we get a ADG improvement. Current vacation is 126 hours. Let me know how we did when a TA is released.

Johnnychimpo

precedent from the railroad union PEB would make me believe otherwise.

boog123

Trial balloon and look who is floating it, ole Trip. Just shocked. Must be one of his 16 cash flow business’.

Gspeed

I’m pretty sure you’re not so obtuse to not understand that openers are never closers.

sailingfun

I do understand that. I also understand that under the RLA wild openers lead to long delayed closers.

theUpsideDown

Hes saying openers set the tone and the company can somehow get out of negotiating because we start high. Been years hes been at this from my limited memory and limited time working here.

If we'd be more reasonable, the company wouldnt negotiate down theyd just give us our ask and we will make out better. Management wants that for us, for us to make more money, they just ask we set the right tone and and right sized ask during negotiations. Theyll be so excited theyll say yes approve it immediately and not talk us lower.

You see its like a game of how many beans are in the jar. If we guess right, or close, we get all the beans.

notEnuf

Word on the chat board is that people are expecting 6 figure checks. You, you are the word, not some fictitious scuttlebut appeasers are whispering.

Scoop

Sailing,

Not quite sure the point you are trying to make here. Of course the "ask" will be greater than the "get." That is bargaining after all as you always point out. I realize that you are getting challenged on your C-2019 predictions but you know what - Covid happened. We can't go back and run non-Covid scenarios, so we will never know if DALPAs strategy would have been a Grand Slam, a single, a strike out, or a bases loaded inning ending double play. DALPA is of course at bat in this fictional baseball game. And yes management is banging on trash cans in the dugout every inning when they are at bat.

I assume you are saying the ask was out of the zone of reasonableness. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but once again - Covid happened so we will never know. You seem to prefer on time short steady gains which one strategy and people always bring up the TVM to defend this strategy. What about the Time Value of Compounding (TVC)? I am pretty sure that I just made that up so I will explain with notional numbers.

If it takes an extra year to get a contract with 2% higher rates we always here about the lost income waiting that additional year and it may be a short term loss on a single contract cycle. But what if that 2% boosts all subsequent contracts by 2%. How does 10-20 or even 30 years at 2% greater pay compare with a 1 year loss of a pay raise?

My long-winded point here is that there are No absolutes in contract negotiations. We strive for the best we can get and all we can compare it to is hypotheticals.

Scoop

boog123

Have you been in the actual room? I have, it doesn’t work that way, at all.