That was encouraging. Now its time for both parties to whisper their LBFO on rates and retro into the mediators ear so she can say either your close and keep working or set the parking brake. I need some me time this winter anyway. Just a reminder for 2020-2022 8/5/5 was suggested as reasonable by an infamous poster, 4/4/13 is what the FAs got, and BLS inflation calculator since January 2019 (our last pay raise) is 18.4%. So a real 5% raise over the last PWA would be a 23.4% increase today.

 

[QUOTE=Wolf424;3531492]Good to see Vacation closed out…still scratching my head on DH. This is the sword the company wants to die on?

Re: Strike vote and moving the needle:

It’s honestly surprised me how many neighbors/friends/family have asked me about the strike vote.

I've had many of our flight attendants ask whether they'll be working over the holidays or not. The message is clear (just not accurate).

 

Read that thing and tell me what real meat there is in it. There is nothing in there that they haven't been saying for months, except some vague statement about reaching an agreement about vacation. The rest is the same old same old.

Those five remaining sections can easily take MONTHS if not longer. I think it is even a disservice to state that a "full AIP could take place at an upcoming session". Any of you really buying that?

We will see nothing until well into spring if even then.

 

Lol. And if they didn't send out anything you would b**** too....

 

Good email. Positive, upbeat, and seems like some progress is being made. I’m looking forward to this being over so that we can just get on with life as usual for a while.

I think most importantly, a comprehensive rewrite is going to require the majority of the group to do a comprehensive read of it and vote accordingly when the time comes. Devil will be in the details.

My personal prediction is that Delta is hell bent on a full year 2022 profit and the appearance of a recovery surpassing wall streets expectations. We get an AIP in late Nov/early Dec. Full language/MEC vote/etc occurs mid December.

We vote end of Dec and into Jan. Delta still gets their full year profit, we get a contract we deserve, and with the pent up demand still and reduced schedules we print a record profit in 2023. My crystal ball is worthless but that’s how I see this playing out.

Retro is obviously a big deal on the pay front. Scope is of utmost importance. At first glance it looks like we might have made significant gains in vacation. A nice bump in retirement would be nice.

All in all, things are looking up thanks to the solidarity of everyone. This is setup for a storybook ending: Ed gives Delta pilots a great contract right at the holidays because he is such a good guy, pilots accept it, and they lived happily ever after for 24 months. Then we get angry and people want to burn it down again after an insulting opener on C2025 and us feeling worthless and sad again. 😂

 

100% confident with two majors rejecting TA's and massive participation in the strike vote, this MEC is not going to send out a TA that they feel hasn't squeezed out every last bit they can from the company.

Whether or not the membership will accept it is a completely different matter.

(All in all, a positive missive)

 

How is a negotiations update email from the NC something to complain about? The five remaining sections could take months, or they could take a day or two. You and I have zero idea how close they are on any of the remaining open sections. The only ones who know are the company and NC.

Labor relations are a big deal. Election is over. Year is almost over. NC sends out a decent email, and you’re complaining it doesn’t have “real meat” in it? They basically said we have notched a win in vacation without posting the actual details so that people on social media don’t blow up.

I liked the email, I appreciate the Email, and I hope we can wrap this up and collectively get a win for 15k of us.

 

Please stop spreading mistruths. No matter how many times anyone repeats it...FAs didn't get 4/4/13. More like 4% in 2022 and boarding pay (6-8% for most people) but it also came along with additional time we have to work.

I hope you guys get everything and then some but don't make it seem like we got something we didn't.

 

Question: won’t we need to vote and have the results of the global scope agreement before we can vote on any full TA? I can’t imagine anyone voting in a TA with an incomplete section 1, and I don’t think we’d want both votes to run concurrently.

 

You've gotten 2, 4% raises and boarding pay worth 13% since our negotiations started and since our last raise. And no, you aren't working more.