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#52
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Once again, it's important to not post mistruths. The IFS Q&A doesn't say an FA flying an average line equals to a 16% increase. It gives multiple examples of different flying scheduled and 1 of those examples equals 16% (the highest) and some examples show it being 4-5%. The only way you're getting that 16% scenario is if you're flying a DREAFUL schedule. We've had boarding pay for 6 months now and I have yet to see any FA be over 10%, which is actually lower since boarding pay doesn't apply to sick time, vacation, credit time, deadheads etc so the overall raise is even smaller. In each one of my previous 6 months which are made up of a mix of international and domestic 50/50 i'm just under 7%.
You also CHOOSE to IGNORE the fact that we are also working more time now with boarding pay. Each leg we work an additional 5 minutes. Which further lowers the "real" raise that boarding pay brings.
Also, the 4% received in 2019 is the same raised pilots ALSO received in 2019. Just because we received it a couple of months after doesn't mean it's an "additional" raise, it's just the timing of the raises and i've shown this when I posted historical dates of FA raises which change quite often.
Here's a screenshot of the Q&A you're referring to:
You also CHOOSE to IGNORE the fact that we are also working more time now with boarding pay. Each leg we work an additional 5 minutes. Which further lowers the "real" raise that boarding pay brings.
Also, the 4% received in 2019 is the same raised pilots ALSO received in 2019. Just because we received it a couple of months after doesn't mean it's an "additional" raise, it's just the timing of the raises and i've shown this when I posted historical dates of FA raises which change quite often.
Here's a screenshot of the Q&A you're referring to:
#53
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We have to be onboard 5 extra minutes and have passengers onboard for 5 extra minutes. That’s extra work. That’s less personal time I have and more time I have to spend with passengers.
As far as your “phone” comments…blah…just shows a holier than thou attitude and entitlement some people have and isn’t really worth addressing.
As far as your “phone” comments…blah…just shows a holier than thou attitude and entitlement some people have and isn’t really worth addressing.
#54
So to be even with the flight attendants we need one 4% raise and let’s call it 10% for boarding pay or just over 14%. I do find the 18% rumored number if the 1.38 billion number in total improvements mentioned by one of the MEC chair candidates plausible. Still even with 800 million for pay and 538 million in other sections we are massively bellowed what we opened for and planned to achieve in 2019.
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#56
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So to be even with the flight attendants we need one 4% raise and let’s call it 10% for boarding pay or just over 14%. I do find the 18% rumored number if the 1.38 billion number in total improvements mentioned by one of the MEC chair candidates plausible. Still even with 800 million for pay and 538 million in other sections we are massively bellowed what we opened for and planned to achieve in 2019.
#57
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So to be even with the flight attendants we need one 4% raise and let’s call it 10% for boarding pay or just over 14%. I do find the 18% rumored number if the 1.38 billion number in total improvements mentioned by one of the MEC chair candidates plausible. Still even with 800 million for pay and 538 million in other sections we are massively bellowed what we opened for and planned to achieve in 2019.
#58
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So to be even with the flight attendants we need one 4% raise and let’s call it 10% for boarding pay or just over 14%. I do find the 18% rumored number if the 1.38 billion number in total improvements mentioned by one of the MEC chair candidates plausible. Still even with 800 million for pay and 538 million in other sections we are massively bellowed what we opened for and planned to achieve in 2019.
#59
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I will be happy to take his bet. I don’t know how you prove where the rumor started but if he can show it’s a management trial ballon I will pay up. I suspect however it’s either a leak or made up by a pilot as I mentioned.
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