Really DALFA, a 6 year FA gets 16% only working 82 hours is an anomaly? Most FA's I've talked to normally work 100+ hours! A new-hire FA working 88 hours is getting a 13% boarding pay increase! So I will stick to my original company supported AVERAGE based on facts from the many FA's I conversed with about their average monthly hours. We will just have to agree to disagree on that fact. The 5 minutes lost you bring up, I'm sorry buts it's laughable! I haven't seen a single change in when the FA's board or start boarding on the 737 nor has ANY FA said a single word about the 5 minutes change OR openly complained about it. As far as your first 4% raise, I will let you do a little more homework or fact checking on the timing of that raise and then you can come back and make your correction. 25.5% still stands for the FA's and I'm happy for you. . .now everyone can return back to discussing this "Vacation AIP" thread!

 

The TVM folks never calculate the Time Value of Concessions.

 

how do we calculate the time value of QOL improvements?

 

As soon as I see one I’ll let you know.

 

PM Sent.

Filler

 

The part where you don’t actually have any numbers to make your claims with.

 

I have run through the costs we opened for on here. Others reported in discussions with their reps similar numbers. The conceptional opener and follow on communication back up a 3 billion plus dollar opener. Not a single rep I asked stated that number was high. Several said it was ballpark. Others replied the company can afford it instead of saying ballpark. I am very comfortable with that number.

 

So you costed out an opener that consisted of a bullet point list of requests made in 2019 and are extremely confident in the accuracy of your numbers yet you admitted your most recent estimate was only 50% of the actual value a couple days ago. Your bias against the MEC is showing.

You don’t have numbers. Stop stating your WAG as fact.

 

FWIW, the CPO‘s have talking points which claim the contract value was 4 billion per year, and ALPA‘s ask was an additional 4 billion per year. IAW, doubling the contract cost.

I would take that with a giant grain of salt, however, as they have clearly coordinated their messaging, as multiple CPO’s have given me that number lately.

 

You keep omitting the part of the equation that is required to come up with the answer. Simply looking at the number of hours worked is irrelevant. It's the number of hours worked in tandem with how many flights you actually board. This isn't a "we have to agree to disagree". Your opinion isn't a fact. I look at my paycheck every 2 weeks.

The company has also NEVER said the average FA will see a 16% increase. You're either making this all up just to try and win an argument of you're just totally clueless.

Boarding times on a 737 went from 35 minutes to 40 minutes prior to departure. If you haven't see a difference then maybe start paying attention and/or look in flight family which lists those boarding times.

You can keep living in fantasyland and that's your choice but it isn't based on reality.