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Originally Posted by shock
DALFA, I keep referencing the Q & A that you so kindly posted, yet you say I'm in a fantasyland. I explain that it is NOT my opinion, but based on many conversations with the FA's I fly with. . .I guess they aren't living in reality either. And now you are trying to explain that in a equation that is based on hourly rates & legs flown that if a domestic FA who flys 82 hours and picks up an additional trip won't make at the very least an additional 16% in boarding pay while an 88 hour New Hire makes 13%? You see DALFA, I'm NOT basing this on just your paycheck (as your evidently are), but on the stats that our company has published AND the many FA's that I fly with! While you have digressed into calling me clueless and living in a fantasyland, I continue to present facts and feedback from my fellow crew, THAT is the reality.
Now, unless you have something factual to contribute that represents more than just your personal opinion supported by your own paycheck, how about you keep this professional and quit trying to disprove that the FA's received a 25.5% pay increase since the pilots contract expired over 3 years ago. After all, this is a Pilot's forum and here you are trying to what? Lower our expectations for the current negotiations? Create animosity between crew members? Argue for arguments sake?
I have wasted enough time with this discourse, and I'm sure you will continue to repeating yourself without listening to either the published facts from our company or the feedback I have received from your fellow FA's. The current contract negotiations is OUR battle and we could certainly use your support rather than your divisiveness! Remember, many of the benefits you enjoy are a result of the hard fought negotiations from your fellow pilots that were also given to the Flight Attendants.
Where did you present 1 shred of evidence?
The Q&A I posted listed 5 made-up examples by the company. Not any kind of average.
This is the same company that sent out Q&A giving examples of how those cuts to Profit Sharing a few years back would actually be a good thing.
That's why some of the examples are as low as 4% and 16% is the highest. You're basing your opinion on "many conversations with the FA's I fly with". Seriously? That's what you're going with? I'm basing it off of my actual paycheck that I calculate every 2 weeks and on the composition of our trips. We don't fly 5 legs per day and the number of rotations with 4 legs per day is a very small percentage. Our average is about 2.0-2.1 legs per duty systemwide (based on ACTUAL trip demographic data on dlnet). So boarding pay has a substantially SMALLER impact on earnings than what you're saying. This isn't my opinon. This is basic MATH. Picking up an extra trip is irrelevant to the impact it has on the overall percentage that boarding pay is relative to regular flight pay. The fact that I even have to have this discussion with you is ridiculous. This has been debated ad nauseum even on this board and most people understand that 16% is a gross overestimation.
Average FA that works 80 hours per month -
960 hours per year
Of that 960 hours up to 126 hours are vacation time and an additional 56 hours of personal time.
If you take an average 3 day trip worth 16 hours it takes 5 trips to equal 80 hours in a month. That's 15 duty periods. With an average of 2.1 legs per duty period, that's on average 31.5 legs per month worth 10.5 hours of additional pay. Since only 81% of that 960 annual hours are eligible for boarding pay (again...vacation and personal time aren't) then boarding pay comes out to 102 hours per year in actual boarding pay...which comes out to 10.6% in actual additional wages. Now, this is based on someone that flies strictly domestic. Nearly 30% of ALL block hours are international block hours and on those flights boarding pay has an even smaller impact...more like 3-4%.
You see, all the numbers I just spit out are REAL numbers. Based on REAL trip demographic data. Not based on fantasyland wishful thinking or what my cousin who is a FA told me.
You can choose to keep repeating the 16% lie (taken out of thin air from nothing) if it makes you sleep better at night but I think most can see that it simply isn't the case.