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Old 11-16-2022 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
"Door pay" or "preflight pay" - whatever. It's 10 minutes of punching buttons 99% of the time for the planes that don't have a half dozen MCO's.

It's 100% old school big union style featherbedding.

That's fine.
I guess you sign that release having read the notams, checked the weather, briefed the FA, inspected the exterior or loaded the box…or the myriad of other tasks that we do to be properly ready all in ten minutes.
Don’t sell our profession short, or..better yet, don’t do such a ****!y job that your ‘all set ready to go’..after pushing buttons for ten minutes.
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Old 11-17-2022 | 01:06 AM
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Not DL, NK, just MO.

Pay should start 30 minutes prior to scheduled departure time, and end 15 minutes after actual/scheduled arrival time, whichever is later, on a per leg basis. Will never pass because WB doesn’t fly a lot of legs. But still way better than what we have now.
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Old 11-17-2022 | 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by p3flteng
I guess you sign that release having read the notams, checked the weather, briefed the FA, inspected the exterior or loaded the box…or the myriad of other tasks that we do to be properly ready all in ten minutes.

Don’t sell our profession short, or..better yet, don’t do such a ****!y job that your ‘all set ready to go’..after pushing buttons for ten minutes.
No it's you that's selling the profession short. Preflight pay is built into our hourly rate. That's why we always have to explain to the general public when they hear we make ie $200/hr. There is no need to start Mikey mouse pay add-ons like boarding pay because you're jealous of the FAs.

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Old 11-17-2022 | 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
No it's you that's selling the profession short. Preflight pay is built into our hourly rate. That's why we always have to explain to the general public when they hear we make ie $200/hr. There is no need to start Mikey mouse pay add-ons like boarding pay because you're jealous of the FAs.

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It's baked in, but even on the SAME FLEET, I can do 4x preflights/postflghts a day, or 2 in a 6 day window. (4 leg Rat Express ATL-MCO-ATL-MCO, or JFK-ACC/DSS)
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Old 11-17-2022 | 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
No it's you that's selling the profession short. Preflight pay is built into our hourly rate. That's why we always have to explain to the general public when they hear we make ie $200/hr. There is no need to start Mikey mouse pay add-ons like boarding pay because you're jealous of the FAs.

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What are you talking about??? SMDH.
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Old 11-17-2022 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
No it's you that's selling the profession short. Preflight pay is built into our hourly rate. That's why we always have to explain to the general public when they hear we make ie $200/hr. There is no need to start Mikey mouse pay add-ons like boarding pay because you're jealous of the FAs.

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I think it was baked in for FAs previously. You can call it whatever you want. I call it a 4/5/13/16% or 11% on average raise.
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Old 11-17-2022 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
No it's you that's selling the profession short. Preflight pay is built into our hourly rate. That's why we always have to explain to the general public when they hear we make ie $200/hr. There is no need to start Mikey mouse pay add-ons like boarding pay because you're jealous of the FAs.

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Originally Posted by CX500T
It's baked in, but even on the SAME FLEET, I can do 4x preflights/postflghts a day, or 2 in a 6 day window. (4 leg Rat Express ATL-MCO-ATL-MCO, or JFK-ACC/DSS)
Baked In? I don't see that defined in the PWA.

Got some old contract or negotiator notes from a previous PWA you can point to?

Not trying to be a smart-arse...I just prefer to read it from the black and white source....trust but verify kind of thing.
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Old 11-17-2022 | 05:44 AM
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Baked in as it's historically been this way for almost 100 years.

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Old 11-17-2022 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
No it's you that's selling the profession short. Preflight pay is built into our hourly rate. That's why we always have to explain to the general public when they hear we make ie $200/hr. There is no need to start Mikey mouse pay add-ons like boarding pay because you're jealous of the FAs.

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I am not specifically talking about the pay for boarding or door pay. My comment is in reference to ‘sitting down and pushing buttons for ten minutes’ is a safe and real preflight. So you agree with that? You are ready to go after pushing buttons for ten minutes? Please , PM me your schedule, so I can be sure and keep my family off your airplane.
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Old 11-17-2022 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by p3flteng
I guess you sign that release having read the notams, checked the weather, briefed the FA, inspected the exterior or loaded the box…or the myriad of other tasks that we do to be properly ready all in ten minutes.
Don’t sell our profession short, or..better yet, don’t do such a ****!y job that your ‘all set ready to go’..after pushing buttons for ten minutes.
No kidding. If I'm not on the airplane 35 minutes prior we push late.

Maybe I'm too thorough
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