Vacation AIP
11-15-2022 | 10:03 AM
#101
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They could add ONE additional week in summer months and it would be compliant with this AIP, yet still be essentially no change. Devil is in the details. Hopefully there are defined metrics in the final language forcing an even distribution throughout the year.
Regarding “value” of vacation, I think it’s important to have some definition around what constitutes “value.” Is it hours PAID per vacation day or hours “CREDIT” per day? I genuinely don’t know enough about how other carriers’ vacation credits work, it it would be nice to know how the calculations were made when comparing to ensure an apples to apples comp.
My opinion is that higher credit per day and more even annual distribution is higher priority to maximize vacation “value.”
Regarding “value” of vacation, I think it’s important to have some definition around what constitutes “value.” Is it hours PAID per vacation day or hours “CREDIT” per day? I genuinely don’t know enough about how other carriers’ vacation credits work, it it would be nice to know how the calculations were made when comparing to ensure an apples to apples comp.
My opinion is that higher credit per day and more even annual distribution is higher priority to maximize vacation “value.”
11-15-2022 | 11:07 AM
#103
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If it matches the FA’s, it wouldn’t need to change any procedure at all. FA’s get just a flat rate, equal to 20 minutes of pay added per leg flown. Simple.
11-15-2022 | 11:19 AM
#104
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They would likely try and time door closure more closely with actual push be it early or late. If they know there is a 30 minute wait for deice they will leave the door open. Much like they track out time to aircraft movement they might start tracking door closure to push.
11-15-2022 | 12:14 PM
#105
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They would likely try and time door closure more closely with actual push be it early or late. If they know there is a 30 minute wait for deice they will leave the door open. Much like they track out time to aircraft movement they might start tracking door closure to push.
11-15-2022 | 12:57 PM
#106
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The agents close the door as soon as they can and leave. Doesn’t matter if 300 bags to load or a hour wait to push for deice. Maybe your experience is different.
11-15-2022 | 01:59 PM
#107
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From: Drivin’ the bus
Trying to understand your point. Vacation is pay/no credit right now in the contract, for the purposes of line construction and green slip trigger, vacation value is considered pay and credit. I don’t see vacation changing to pay and credit in all aspects of the contract, but I do t know the details of what has been agreed upon.
Yes, my point was in the context of credit towards line construction window or prorating reserve guarantee. Thinking out loud in the context of earlier rumors to this effect. I didn’t mean to imply pay and credit in a time card sense. I see now that wasn’t clear.
11-15-2022 | 02:34 PM
#108
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From: MD88
One other thing that struck me from the NN:
“made significant progress on numerous secondary items in Section 3 – Compensation”
Could “boarding pay” be included? “Establish Door Pay” was in our opener... That would be a massive gain, as domestic rotations would effectively add nearly an hour’s pay to ADG.
“made significant progress on numerous secondary items in Section 3 – Compensation”
Could “boarding pay” be included? “Establish Door Pay” was in our opener... That would be a massive gain, as domestic rotations would effectively add nearly an hour’s pay to ADG.
11-15-2022 | 03:23 PM
#109
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From: Enoch Powell Enthusiast
"Door pay" or "preflight pay" - whatever. It's 10 minutes of punching buttons 99% of the time for the planes that don't have a half dozen MCO's.
It's 100% old school big union style featherbedding.
That's fine.
It's 100% old school big union style featherbedding.
That's fine.
11-16-2022 | 06:50 PM
#110
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From: A350 Both
5% maybe. The rest was the standard rah rah be patient bull**** I honestly didn't read anything all that different. I'm glad you can be optimistic though. Seriously.
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