According to the conference call the 787 are mostly for 767 replacement and the old 777 (UAL was the launch customer). The bulk of the 777s won’t need replacement until the next decade. That’s why our A350 order was pushed back as it’s a better 777 replacement. It sure does sound like some of the 787s are for growth. IMHO much will depend on China since we have such a large footprint there.

“Kirby also concluded the 787 was a better replacement for the 767s because the 787 is smaller, “and the right time for the [A]350 versus the 787s conversation is when we’re replacing the bulk of the 777s, which really doesn’t begin until the end of the decade.”

https://aviationweek.com/air-transpo...ivery-schedule

 

yes, that is essentially exactly what I said. 100 787s replacing 128 aircraft (767s and 777-200) so obviously a couple dozen 777-200s (at a minimum) sticking around that won’t be replaced. Also no idea why it bolded the quote..

 

All good. But as you know an order means squat until we have them on property in our livery. We’ve had the A350 on order since 2012 lol. We only have 17 777-200s that are cattle car set up which the 787 can replace in a similar configuration. The ERs and -300s are way more plane (and cargo capacity) than the 787 can supplant. It’s going to take a contract to make it happen though. 2 planes arriving per week in 2023 and 3 per week in 2024 while they currently can’t fill CA seats due to our horrible QOL on reserve. The ball is in their court……

 

Is there any reason other than “because they can” driving your awful reserve rules? Is your staffing significantly different than your peers? Is the company simply using this mechanism to drive high-paying seats more junior to exploit lower hourly costs?

Global reserve is just such an odd and extreme outlier (from what I know of it) that it’s really a head-scratcher. And to think your team was entertaining an 0600 start on day one…even more confusing.

Maybe this is just what different airline cultures look like?

 

It’s BK era rsv rules that we didn’t get addressed in our merger contract with lCAL. Much is “because they can” and it’s almost punitive lately. We used to actually have Long Call but it’s rare lately. Our TA was a failed attempt to get TI elected and 94% of us soundly rejected it. Essentially 6% who were retiring soon and afraid our retro wouldn’t actually be real retro with back pay to the people who earned it and have since retired vs just giving cash to those currently on property :P. (Just having fun and I don’t want to get involved in DALs AIP)

I have no excuse for our reserve system. It sucks no 2 ways around it. With our LEC recalls the no crowd to the Tumi TA is now in the majority and our MC has tendered his resignation due to a family matter so we’re slowly working it out as you guys did with TA1 in 2015?

 

Didn’t read to the end of thread when I posted this, obviously repetitive sorry. Really all I care about is an industry leading contract that exceeds your AIP. Time to do our share of the heavy lifting and stop relying on others (mostly you guys) to do the lifting for us!



Company stated that this order only replaces some of the oldest 777’s. The bulk of the 777’s will not be replaced until after 2030 and they haven’t made a Widebody order to replace the bulk of the 777’s yet.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...rs-2022-12-13/




United CEO Scott Kirby told reporters "the right time for 350 versus (787) conversation is when we're replacing the bulk of the 777s, which really doesn't begin to the end of the decade."Kirby said one key factor in the decision between Boeing and Airbus for its major widebody order was its current 787 fleet.

"When we're trying to bring on 2,500 pilots a year and grow the airline, introducing a new fleet type slows that down dramatically," Kirby said.

United hired 15,000 new employees in 2022, including 2,400 pilots, and is on track to hire 15,000 in 2023, including another 2,500 pilots.

It expects to take 787s deliveries between 2024 and 2032 and can choose among 787-8, 9 or 10 models. United will buy 787s to replace its entire 767 fleet by 2030 and some 777s, cutting carbon emissions per seat by about 25% for the new planes.

 

We should turn down the TA then.

/s

 

who knew that we are actually the largest 787 operator!

 

*holding company