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12-14-2022 | 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GeneralLee

Correct. The 787 would be a logical replacement for both of this fleets. We need both manufacturers at DL. It’s better for the airline in the long run.

I have asked directly why that strategy is employed with our narrow body fleet but not (so far) with new wide body orders and have yet to get a satisfactory answer. So maybe GH is trying to throw everyone off by saying we will be all Airbus on the wide body side of things. Admitting that publicly doesnt seem to be a shrewd thing to do and he's a pretty smart guy.

12-14-2022 | 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hubcapped

Which provides more long term stability and (potential) job security for the next 30 years? I let airline execs be airline execs, and focus on being a slow methodical checklist read-do kind of guy

and yet when push came to shove, a similar number of UA and DL pilots got WARN notices, even with UA having a much larger WB fleet and half as many retirements in the next 5 years as DL.

12-14-2022 | 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Scooter432

There is an RFP out with the 78 vs the 350-1000. Maybe Delta is wising up that its better to have a mixed fleet. An all Airbus fleet doesn't nedcessarily help Delta.

787, A350, doesn't matter anymore. All pays the same. The beancounters will figure out which plane to get. Not directed at you but this thread in general, I'm shocked that the SJS over the 787 continues even though the 350/330/765 will pay the same

12-14-2022 | 10:22 AM

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When do we get Boom jets?
https://www.aviationpros.com/engines...e-for-overture

12-14-2022 | 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Trip7

The backlog for 787s is getting longer, and I think it would be the perfect fit to revamp and restructure the fleet off the ER.

I think the company saying we want all WB Airbus fleet is just a tactic to get Boeing to the table to give us a good deal. The 797 is not feasible to wait forever on, and the 330 has not been a great replacement for the ER flying.

12-14-2022 | 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DALFA

Basically...

Pull up the United route map and then pull up our route map and be ready to cry.

Outside of the 30x CDG/AMS/LHR flights each day we're nothing but a regional airline that feeds AF/KL/VS.

I'm sorry to be frank but this is complete and utter nonsense. While we are not as big as United let's not get into hyperbole. The bid packet for our international fleets has plenty of flying outside AF/KL/VS hubs

12-14-2022 | 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jerryleber

Yes it it. United's domestic network and hubs are underdeveloped and more RJ dependent than AAL and especially DAL thus the big narrow body orders. DAL's ATL will always be the best domestic hub in the world and by a large margin. United's international network is more developed than its competitors.

Clarification: AAL needs its RJs more than UAL, especially in every hub that does not begin with DFW. Many of its routes simply do not support 130+ seats at a given time with insufficient hub O&D traffic or stiff competition in that particular hub city (except DFW and CLT)...

UAL has more potential to fill up the seats of a 737 to/from most of its hubs, much more than AAL. It CAN develop away from RJs (and in doing so give capacity relief for such hubs!), AAL in many cases cannot.

UAL hubs are largely heavy with O&D traffic, are in higher-income cities, and nearly all serve as significant international gateways.

In any case, I won't undermine the ATL super-fortress that draws envy from every pilot not working for Delta.

12-14-2022 | 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AirCav

Growth??? We sell 18 777s and have plans to retire all 767s and possibly older 330s. I don't see much growth. More like a replacement plan. Plus the ratio of WB to NB keeps getting worst.

AC

It’s going to hard for them to show growth in their WB fleet when they already have hundreds. He has an amazing ability to distract from reality.

12-14-2022 | 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007

Our largest wide body is the A350 which is more comfortable in a 3x3x3 configuration than a 787.

Airbus: Hold my beer!

https://aircraft.airbus.com/en/newsr...e-and-airspace

3-4-3 , We made the cabin 4" wider. Plenty of room for another seat in each row...

(not saying Delta would do this, but I can think of a few airlines that may try...)

12-14-2022 | 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...rs-2022-12-13/

United CEO Scott Kirby told reporters "the right time for 350 versus (787) conversation is when we're replacing the bulk of the 777s, which really doesn't begin to the end of the decade."Kirby said one key factor in the decision between Boeing and Airbus for its major widebody order was its current 787 fleet.