AA AIP (no raise for you!)
05-25-2023 | 08:06 AM
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Well if you can, then DO! What is the dollar value DALPA and/or Delta assigned to PS in your $7B contract? Then try to wrap your head around the fact that whatever number you may or may not come up with, it’s significantly smaller (if anything at all) at AA for reasons already mentioned. Try sticking to tangible facts instead of another ad hominem and a stupid analogy about ice cream.
These are my tangible facts. Did you possibly misunderstand what the 7B "contract " represented?
05-25-2023 | 08:10 AM
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Not really. I think it's pretty important to understand what facts are otherwise pilots support emotional demands based on fraudulent suppositions. I have a feeling El Peso(by his last post) thought the 7 and 8 Billion dollars was the cost of the contract....not the incremental gain. That is why AA will have some cost associated to getting the new PS and Delta would not attribute any cost to that for this contract cycle.
05-25-2023 | 08:20 AM
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There was no cost associated to the Delta contract for PS because we already had that as part of the PWA. Maybe this is where your misunderstanding originates. The 7B "contract" over 4 years is 7B of INCREASED costs. Is it possible you misunderstood this? I admit it is never (usually never) adequately explained in media accounts of the new contract.
These are my tangible facts. Did you possibly misunderstand what the 7B "contract " represented?
These are my tangible facts. Did you possibly misunderstand what the 7B "contract " represented?
By this logic the pilot payroll alone over the next 4 years will account for about $12-14B. That doesn’t really make sense to me. Serious question.
05-25-2023 | 08:28 AM
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Are you absolutely 100% sure about this? Everything I see, including from the unions, is “A four year deal worth 7/8 billion”. I interpret that to mean exactly that. Not a 7/8 billion raise.
By this logic the pilot payroll alone over the next 4 years will account for about $12-14B. That doesn’t really make sense to me. Serious question.
By this logic the pilot payroll alone over the next 4 years will account for about $12-14B. That doesn’t really make sense to me. Serious question.
I can't quote anything right now but humor me this example
Delta 7B over 4 years is 1.75B per year. With 15,500 pilots, that would be about $113,000 per pilot.. Since the starting pay is about that(113k) and more senior pilots are making 400K+ per year and we haven't costed in medical and DC or all the other ancillary costs, I can only deduce that the 7B is the incremental cost.
What do you think?
05-25-2023 | 08:31 AM
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Pretty sure.....like I said the media does a horrible job of explaining it. I think this explains why we weren't seeing eye to eye.
I can't quote anything right now but humor me this example
Delta 7B over 4 years is 1.75B per year. with 15,500 that would be about 113,000 per pilot.. Since the starting pay is about that(113k) and more senior pilots are making 400K+ per year and we haven't costed in medical and DC or all the other ancillary costs, I can only deduce that the 7B is the incremental cost.
What do you think?
I can't quote anything right now but humor me this example
Delta 7B over 4 years is 1.75B per year. with 15,500 that would be about 113,000 per pilot.. Since the starting pay is about that(113k) and more senior pilots are making 400K+ per year and we haven't costed in medical and DC or all the other ancillary costs, I can only deduce that the 7B is the incremental cost.
What do you think?
An MLB player signing a 4 year deal at a 100M is getting 25M/year, not a 100M raise. That’s how I interprete it.
05-25-2023 | 08:31 AM
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Are you absolutely 100% sure about this? Everything I see, including from the unions, is “A four year deal worth 7/8 billion”. I interpret that to mean exactly that. Not a 7/8 billion raise.
By this logic the pilot payroll alone over the next 4 years will account for about $12-14B. That doesn’t really make sense to me. Serious question.
By this logic the pilot payroll alone over the next 4 years will account for about $12-14B. That doesn’t really make sense to me. Serious question.
05-25-2023 | 08:31 AM
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We can use all the sick time in a row without needed a doctors note, unless you were above 120.
If you have 119:59 hrs used…the next sick call doesn’t trigger the doctors note.
If your AIP makes you feel better? Good for you. I really hope that TA doesn’t bring AA to Chap 11. I have a lot of friends that work at AA, always wishing them the best.
If you have 119:59 hrs used…the next sick call doesn’t trigger the doctors note.
If your AIP makes you feel better? Good for you. I really hope that TA doesn’t bring AA to Chap 11. I have a lot of friends that work at AA, always wishing them the best.
Better than that, you actually don't have to verify until the month after you hit 120 hours. As an extreme example, you could hit nearly 200 hours before you actually had to provide a Dr note.
Agreed! Dudes, learn to debate without coming off as middle schoolers or this thread will be locked.
05-25-2023 | 08:33 AM
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And that's why it's important to hash these things out. Maybe not as petty as you try to make it sound? I venture a guess that at least 50% of the pilots misunderstand what the 7B and 8B represent. Consequently they will make a vote based on fallacious input.
05-25-2023 | 08:41 AM
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PS...and I may be wrong in which case I will gladly get schooled.
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