El Peso

Not following so save us the suspense.

Buck Rogers

I don't think occasionally asking for a doctor's note when you can call in sick for 270 hours per year is too onerous. Almost 4 months worth of sick with 5 weeks vacation....pretty soon pilots are only "working" 6 months per year for a full years W-2

Buck Rogers

Was getting Delta's profit sharing free of cost to the company? What don't you get?

WakeWash

El Peso makes me think they don’t drug test over at AA. Dude is really trying to act as if APA did something here.

Gone Flying

fair enough, but it’s worth noting that threshold is twice the annual accrual at AA (120 hours) and excludes times where you were out for a major injury. Each has its benefit. While I can definitely see the benefit of AAs system, especially if you can have several hundred hours in the bank to sell at 65, I prefer a system that does not encourage flying while iffy to keep your time to sell back later.

LAXtoDEN

Not complaining but it’s always give and take. So now you have plenty of sick bank to call out “sick” more than you should and not be worried about it. That’s great for everyone except short call reserves.

El Peso

Profits aren’t assured and AA isn’t as profitable. For that reason APA’s position in the past was that PS can not be counted towards a contract’s value. How would one even put a number on that? We could have a money losing year. You’re saying that PS accounts for 1B of our gains? You’d need to back that up with something.

Buck Rogers

No, I didn't say that. I asked for you to handicap what the cost associated with that provision might be...your best guess. You have deflected twice and almost make it sound like there is no cost associated since profit is not guaranteed

Since there is no cost associated that should be an easy slam dunk for UAL NC to get Delta's profit sharing and DC on top I guess. I'll PDR their union and let them know

m3113n1a1

AA's retro didn't include recent retirees either... I'm surprised people over there don't seem to be angry about this.

Puddytatt

So y'all can cash out $200k in sick leave when you retire, so around 500 hours at top rate currently if I did my math right. Over a 30 year career that means you banked over 16 hours on average a year. So of those 60 you get each year, you only used 44 if you banked the max payout.

Over that same hypothetical 30 year career at Delta, you could have called in sick 100 hours every year without getting a doctor's note, and 120 hours going forward. I'm not entirely sure what sick policy was here several contracts ago, but I've heard it was better. Oh, and if you can be bothered to go in to an urgent care, or find some other way to get a note, you would average 223 hours a year over that 30 year career. Even with your first 11 years at pay steps below top, and as an FO until you upgrade, those extra hours on top of 44 a year seems to add up real quick, and let you invest them or spend them. At current top rates, a 350 captain here who used all 270 would get an extra 226x417.54x1.16, or a cool $109k at the expense of getting said notes. Oh, and does your $200k payment increase every year of the contract? Because our 120-270 hours sure does. That same captain that maxes out his sick leave would get $124k in addition to your 44 hours in 2027. Doesn't take long for those numbers to go above $200k.

Hmm... 44 or up to 226 with the pay now instead of at the end of your career. I know which one I think I like better, but maybe you are just bad at math.