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Old 12-15-2025 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Why people are seeing this as an auto accept problem and not as batch size, crew scheduling staffing and training, and a company choice to exploit 23M7 issue is beyond me. These are the root of the problem, auto accept is just the coping mechanism pilots have used to avoid the failures and exploitation being done by the company.
because the twelve minute timer means that 40 auto accepts delays trip coverage by 8 hours minimum.


you could staff ten schedulers per pilot and that would still be true. you could make batch sizes of one and it would still be true.

now, it is a chicken-or-the-egg situation where large batch sizes caused pilots to start auto-accepting, but if the company quit doing large batches, you wouldn’t pull your auto accept, so we’re stuck with that delay, irrespective of “crew scheduling training and staffing” and batch sizes.
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Old 12-15-2025 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
I don't remember any pilots shouting that.

And of that MEC, one was recalled and most of the others were eventually voted out.
There were plenty on here and on FB. Many of them directly supported and defended the batch size giveaway for months after the fact.
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Old 12-15-2025 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Why people are seeing this as an auto accept problem and not as batch size, crew scheduling staffing and training, and company choice to exploit 23M7 issue is beyond me.
All those things can be true at once.

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Old 12-15-2025 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ancman
There were plenty on here and on FB. Many of them directly supported and defended the batch size giveaway for months after the fact.
I remember the defense of it but not the shouting beforehand. Most of those were DH's minions who were doing damage control after an unpopular MEC decision.
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Old 12-15-2025 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Why people are seeing this as an auto accept problem and not as batch size, crew scheduling staffing and training, and company choice to exploit 23M7 issue is beyond me. These are the root of the problem, auto accept is just the coping mechanism pilots have used to avoid the failures and exploitation being done by the company.
The real question is why so many pilots are so adamantly willing to give away their leverage.

This is exactly what benefits the company. Sow discord amongst the pilot group to surreptitiously reduce our leverage as we approach section 6.
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Old 12-15-2025 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
because the twelve minute timer means that 40 auto accepts delays trip coverage by 8 hours minimum.


you could staff ten schedulers per pilot and that would still be true. you could make batch sizes of one and it would still be true.

now, it is a chicken-or-the-egg situation where large batch sizes caused pilots to start auto-accepting, but if the company quit doing large batches, you wouldn’t pull your auto accept, so we’re stuck with that delay, irrespective of “crew scheduling training and staffing” and batch sizes.
Everyone's impatience is going to squander whatever leverage we have. This is all about moved cheese and gored oxes. The GS addiction is the real problem if you want to blame pilots.
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Old 12-15-2025 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ancman
The agreed upon solution for that is literally the title of this thread.
The MOU will do little to fix the problem. I suspect in some ways it will make it worse.
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Old 12-15-2025 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sidestickmonkey
for free?

Doubt that
Originally Posted by rinaldi
get rid of auto accept. It’s not that hard.
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
it has gotten way worse. There are pilots not even getting calls for white slips. The coverage ladder has been decimated. Everything’s going to be a qs. At least it will bring back seniority.

I’m ready to throw in the towel and get rid of auto accept. If you don’t want phone calls, take your ****ing slip out. The way it is now, my phone never stops ringing for trips i have no chance of getting. Most already covered.

I’m not senior enough for 23.m.7 and can’t get ia’s. At least i get to hear my phone ring a couple times per hour though.
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Old 12-15-2025 | 08:38 AM
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@Puddytatt and ask those individuals what they want to see in exchange for giving up auto-accept
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Old 12-15-2025 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
The MOU will do little to fix the problem. I suspect in some ways it will make it worse.
Not at all.

Quick slips will be the new IAs. An orderly, seniority-based system will be restored to all premium awards.

23M7 pay will still be handed out like candy, but that’s our leverage.
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