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Old Yesterday | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Khantahr
We need to move it back to Long Island City, the current one SUCKS.
I love the short hotel. Sure beats the dump we used to stay in off Jamaica Blvd. I’d much much rather stay at the short than hour+ van rides to NYC, midnight release to 1pm pickup, followed by another 1 hour+ van. Even the shorty short takes about the same time riding the airtrain for early reports as the 10/15 min SkyHop for the short. Tons of restaurants over in Howard beach main drag.
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Old Yesterday | 07:18 PM
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Latest MEC missive doesn't look encouraging for a quick contract.

Fine, I suppose.

Like fuel hedges, quickie contracts are a bit of a hit-or-miss gamble.
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Old Yesterday | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Latest MEC missive doesn't look encouraging for a quick contract.

Fine, I suppose.

Like fuel hedges, quickie contracts are a bit of a hit-or-miss gamble.
The company will never sign a short term quick contract unless it's a deal for them... 2015 style. No thanks. They have to need a contract to make a deal. The only way they need one is for the stock price to take a hit.
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Old Yesterday | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
It's not the hotels, it's NYC in general.

NYC is a place to make money then retire to Florida (or wherever), and not just in the aviation world.

Junior base for a reason.
NY is not JR base anymore…they are shrinking the 320 side and not for good. I’ve been stuck in the same seniority for 3 yrs (320A).

DTW is the new JR base.
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Old Today | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
The company will never sign a short term quick contract unless it's a deal for them... 2015 style. No thanks. They have to need a contract to make a deal. The only way they need one is for the stock price to take a hit.
Our union completely misread the situation. We never should have tried for a quick contract unless company approached us. Management despises us. They don’t even hide it anymore. They publicly say the pilot group is racketeering.

I believe this contract is going to be the nastiest we have ever had to negotiate since I’ve been here. Truthfully, it seems like every cycle gets harder and harder. Last one, we had an intent to strike vote.

It doesn’t have to be this way, but it is. Some things never change.
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Old Today | 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Our union completely misread the situation.
I completely disagree. It's clear the company is desperate. Look at the high-level personnel changes. Read the desperation in RG's emails. Hear the accusations lobbed on the pilot group by HT, et al. Even if the accelerated negotiations plan fails, ALPA can show they tried, they offered but it was the company who didn't want help. They cannot say we weren't serious and helpful partners. It destroys their narrative. ALPA's actions serve that purpose and sometimes you have to go through those motions even if you know the likelyhood of success is low. I, for one, am ok with the current plan and am willing to be patient and increase our ask on the long route.
Old Today | 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Our union completely misread the situation. We never should have tried for a quick contract unless company approached us. Management despises us. They don’t even hide it anymore. They publicly say the pilot group is racketeering.

I believe this contract is going to be the nastiest we have ever had to negotiate since I’ve been here. Truthfully, it seems like every cycle gets harder and harder. Last one, we had an intent to strike vote.

It doesn’t have to be this way, but it is. Some things never change.
My understanding is that they DID approach us. (Their terms were laughably absurd, but…)

What amazes me is that they have baked in a ridiculous amount of not just premium pay, but 23M7 pay too. They would rather pay triple for (supposedly 40% of) what they cover daily than give us a contract. Or, probably more accurately, they want concessions we cannot abide.

The concession stand is closed. I’d rather sit on this contract 5 years post amendable.
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Old Today | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
My understanding is that they DID approach us. (Their terms were laughably absurd, but…)

What amazes me is that they have baked in a ridiculous amount of not just premium pay, but 23M7 pay too. They would rather pay triple for (supposedly 40% of) what they cover daily than give us a contract. Or, probably more accurately, they want concessions we cannot abide.

The concession stand is closed. I’d rather sit on this contract 5 years post amendable.

They will return; just wait until we reach peak summer flying. The "racketeering" will increase, and farming yields will improve.
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Old Today | 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
My understanding is that they DID approach us. (Their terms were laughably absurd, but…)

What amazes me is that they have baked in a ridiculous amount of not just premium pay, but 23M7 pay too. They would rather pay triple for (supposedly 40% of) what they cover daily than give us a contract. Or, probably more accurately, they want concessions we cannot abide.

The concession stand is closed. I’d rather sit on this contract 5 years post amendable.
A ratifiable deal that fixes trip coverage will come with a heavy cost. Signing this expensive deal will be an admission by RG that his decisions in the name of efficiency and cost control over the last 8 years were mistakes. His ego won’t allow that. So they will just try to hire their way out of the mess while blaming the pilots.
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Old Today | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
A ratifiable deal that fixes trip coverage will come with a heavy cost. Signing this expensive deal will be an admission by RG that his decisions in the name of efficiency and cost control over the last 8 years were mistakes. His ego won’t allow that. So they will just try to hire their way out of the mess while blaming the pilots.
This. 100% this.
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