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Old 05-19-2026 | 11:00 AM
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about the 5th time in the last month some hedge fund manager owns dal they are “the best managed, best run airline in the industry” so there you go.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tripled
The businessmen don’t care about our feelings toward them nor theirs toward us. How do we as a pilot group make the business case to stop running dal as if we’re edv? This rotation construction is getting awful and yet mgt keeps chipping away at our ability to manipulate our schedules. Same with sick treatment. The regionals get away with this bs because of the transient nature of their employees- we are losing options and I only assume more ‘limits’ were part of gumms non-starter concessionary proposal.
The feeling is mutual. I don’t care about the businessmen’s feelings. This job, just like everything in life is transactional. I’m giving you time, and my mad button pushing skillz for money and benefits. Then I want to go home and enjoy my family. That’s it.

Just flew with a fella. He flew a transcon. West to east. Got rerouted to do a leg with me. After a FOUR HOUR sit.

I said “how are you even legal?” He said “barely. We need to get going though because I took an extension and if I don’t, I won’t get my reroute pay.”

Wildly irresponsible. Homeboy then proceeded to give about 50% effort on the light radio work he had to do on the next leg. Because he’d been awake for God knows how long. But he was finna be rich if he did this leg.

The pure GREED of our group (and lack of tegridy) is what’s compensating for total mismanagement of the air line.

I say this as I am currently watching the entire screen light up with 1s/2s/3s for a 3 rotation QS call with a batch size of a trillion. Mind blowing.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TegridyFarms
The feeling is mutual. I don’t care about the businessmen’s feelings. This job, just like everything in life is transactional. I’m giving you time, and my mad button pushing skillz for money and benefits. Then I want to go home and enjoy my family. That’s it.

Just flew with a fella. He flew a transcon. West to east. Got rerouted to do a leg with me. After a FOUR HOUR sit.

I said “how are you even legal?” He said “barely. We need to get going though because I took an extension and if I don’t, I won’t get my reroute pay.”

Wildly irresponsible. Homeboy then proceeded to give about 50% effort on the light radio work he had to do on the next leg. Because he’d been awake for God knows how long. But he was finna be rich if he did this leg.

The pure GREED of our group (and lack of tegridy) is what’s compensating for total mismanagement of the air line.

I say this as I am currently watching the entire screen light up with 1s/2s/3s for a 3 rotation QS call with a batch size of a trillion. Mind blowing.

also sounds far117 illegal by what you posted.. as you can’t be re-routed into an extension
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Old 05-19-2026 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by TegridyFarms
The pure GREED of our group (and lack of tegridy) is what’s compensating for total mismanagement of the air line.

I say this as I am currently watching the entire screen light up with 1s/2s/3s for a 3 rotation QS call with a batch size of a trillion. Mind blowing.
The fact that our union had to publish both an MEC Alert and an Action Item, yet dudes were STILL deal-making should put your recent experience into perspective. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.

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Old 05-19-2026 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TegridyFarms
I said “how are you even legal?” He said “barely. We need to get going though because I took an extension and if I don’t, I won’t get my reroute pay.

Uh, as NJ said, that's illegal. Homeboy may want to file an ASAP.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tripled
The businessmen don’t care about our feelings toward them nor theirs toward us. How do we as a pilot group make the business case to stop running dal as if we’re edv? This rotation construction is getting awful and yet mgt keeps chipping away at our ability to manipulate our schedules. Same with sick treatment. The regionals get away with this bs because of the transient nature of their employees- we are losing options and I only assume more ‘limits’ were part of gumms non-starter concessionary proposal.
First off, RG is not a businessman. It's an insult to the real businessmen & women out there to place that moniker on him.

We don't have to do anything but FLY THE CONTRACT. Nothing more. RG has proven over 7 years he is well capable of destroying this operation, the brand and everything along with it quite fine on his own.

Another thing we have to do is show UNITY. I've posted this many times before. Our unity scares the crap out of them on the 4th. Their goal is always to divide us. When I see dudes not sportin' the tags, or wearing the lanyards or going hats off or whatever else our MEC and NC ask of us to support their efforts - I scratch my head. Why would you not?

You asked how? UNITY is how. Very simple concept, but about 1/3 of our pilot group is management light. THey, for whatever silly reason, just don't support any efforts of the MEC and NC when it comes to showing our UNITY. Yet are usually the bitchy ones out there. Go figure.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Uninteresting
about the 5th time in the last month some hedge fund manager owns dal they are “the best managed, best run airline in the industry” so there you go.
the only see past performance. The whole Swiss cheese analogy is applicable now. We are (in the moment) witnessing the holes line up. The number risks are becoming too great to be able to capture and contain them. Just because some hedge fund guy is bored enough to play with airplanes and when they looked back four years and noticed the ol’ DL looked better then….yeah that not too hard to figure out is it. But “past performance does not guarantee future results” I think is most applicable now.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
When I see dudes not sportin' the tags, or wearing the lanyards or going hats off or whatever else our MEC and NC ask of us to support their efforts - I scratch my head. Why would you not?



THey, for whatever silly reason, just don't support any efforts of the MEC and NC when it comes to showing our UNITY. Yet are usually the bitchy ones out there. Go figure.
This group you described is made up mostly of guys who have never seen the “struggle” & have not bothered to educate themselves on airline history, with a few exceptions. A quick AI summary of Flying the Line Vol. I & II would cure them of that.

We are edging towards the “weak men create hard times” part of the cycle.

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Old 05-19-2026 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
My man Tegridy. Agreed. Still amazed he has a job here. HT too. Especially after the now infamous "racketeering" comment about us.
resting on our laurels

DL spent a decade to built an amazingly well oiled machine with the operation being the focus. Over the last decade cost has become a bigger focus over operational excellence. That tends to happen when leadership has mostly accounting/finance backgrounds. Look at our COO. The person in charge of running our operation is not someone with a background in the operation but in finance. I completely understand DL is a business and businesses exist to make money, but when the focus is on making money rather than delivering a product people will pay extra for, the business, over time, will not be successful.

RG and HT are in their jobs because controlling costs is a higher priority than running an excellent operation. As long as that is the direction of the board and they keep costs under target, I fear their jobs will be safe. HTs racketeering comment probably won favors with those in charge, as it was a slight against union labor.


We built a hypercar of an operation but have been maintaining it with the same energy as a Camry. The hyeprcar’s performance is reflecting that level of maintenance
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Old 05-19-2026 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HelloNewnan
I don't think anyone is arguing that it is compliant. Somewhere along the line someone manager decided it was a goal not a limit, and, well, you see what happened.
FIFY It means nothing. If you disagree tell me how it's meaningful other than a jobs floor for pilots in the PWA.
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