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Old 05-19-2026 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
This is not peak Delta. We cancel more flights in a day than we would cancel in a year.

Peak was around 2018, no cancellations, optimizer wasn’t in full effect yet, it was a well oiled machine. I miss the trips I flew that year.
2018 was peak delta? From whose perspective? Shareholders were wiped out during covid and only now are above water but TVM bit them in the capital allocation shorts if they held. Customers are still lining up and we have more now and way more revenue. Management has the same industry pedestal and has gained handsomely since 2018. I'm making double what I did 8 years ago. The only metric or perspective you can claim is operational performance and A+ to A- is not the failing you think it is. This doesn't mean I don't think it needs fixing but chicken little is jealous.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TegridyFarms
Just flew with a fella. He flew a transcon. West to east. Got rerouted to do a leg with me. After a FOUR HOUR sit.

I said “how are you even legal?” He said “barely. We need to get going though because I took an extension and if I don’t, I won’t get my reroute pay.”
Sounds like a big issue if he had to extend for the reroute…unless it delayed after he was assigned the reroute.

“Tracking may RR up to the FAR un-extended limit (Section 12 D. 2. (not to exceed 13 hours) & 12 D. 3. Tables)

When you received the RR, your total time on duty (first block of time on the PWA line on your rotation) must be scheduled to be less than the un-extended FAR Duty limit on your rotation (the line containing “Last Acclimated City & Rest Class”); the un-extended FAR limit is the first number on this line

If the RR is legal when assigned, as explained above, and there are subsequent delays that require an FDP extension, the RR is still considered legal because you were delayed into an extension, not re-routed into an extension”
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Old 05-19-2026 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dmhpilot
Sounds like a big issue if he had to extend for the reroute…unless it delayed after he was assigned the reroute.

“Tracking may RR up to the FAR un-extended limit (Section 12 D. 2. (not to exceed 13 hours) & 12 D. 3. Tables)

When you received the RR, your total time on duty (first block of time on the PWA line on your rotation) must be scheduled to be less than the un-extended FAR Duty limit on your rotation (the line containing “Last Acclimated City & Rest Class”); the un-extended FAR limit is the first number on this line

If the RR is legal when assigned, as explained above, and there are subsequent delays that require an FDP extension, the RR is still considered legal because you were delayed into an extension, not re-routed into an extension”
Easy fix...don't extend.
Old 05-19-2026 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Uh, as NJ said, that's illegal. Homeboy may want to file an ASAP.
no. It wasn’t illegal when he got it. We ended up being super late and he sat at the airport for 4 hours. We even held. Then landed. And I thought there was a 0% chance this guy would have any time remaining. And right when we init got the “text FDP accept to xxxxx” and he did it.

Not my dog. Not my fight. Stupid move though.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GutterGuard
Easy fix...don't extend.
This. If anything happens to you on an extension. FAA is gonna drop the hammer saying “why were you flying after your FDP ended?”
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Old 05-19-2026 | 03:10 PM
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A friendly reminder, most of the time you cannot extend, PERIOD. There is a small carve out that if the situation is “unforseeable”, which is actually defined.

Unforeseen operational circumstance means an unplanned event of insufficient duration to allow for adjustments to schedules, including unforecast weather, equipment malfunction, or air traffic delay that is not reasonably expected.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/117.3


A reroute and or thunderstorms in the TAF don’t count.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
2018 was peak delta? From whose perspective? Shareholders were wiped out during covid and only now are above water but TVM bit them in the capital allocation shorts if they held. Customers are still lining up and we have more now and way more revenue. Management has the same industry pedestal and has gained handsomely since 2018. I'm making double what I did 8 years ago. The only metric or perspective you can claim is operational performance and A+ to A- is not the failing you think it is. This doesn't mean I don't think it needs fixing but chicken little is jealous.
zero comparison operationally between 2018 and now. Not even remotely close. We run more like AA in 2018.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
2018 was peak delta? From whose perspective? Shareholders were wiped out during covid and only now are above water but TVM bit them in the capital allocation shorts if they held. Customers are still lining up and we have more now and way more revenue. Management has the same industry pedestal and has gained handsomely since 2018. I'm making double what I did 8 years ago. The only metric or perspective you can claim is operational performance and A+ to A- is not the failing you think it is. This doesn't mean I don't think it needs fixing but chicken little is jealous.
Not today, RG
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Old 05-19-2026 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TegridyFarms
This. If anything happens to you on an extension. FAA is gonna drop the hammer saying “why were you flying after your FDP ended?”
my buddy flew with a captain that missed his DH on a premium trip. Scheduling had him “self deviate” and he took the jumpseat on the next flight. Got his 8 hours of rest behind the door and was “legal”. He flew a 3 leg day the next day. I’ve had a similar situation where scheduling asked me to “self deviate” due to missing DH.. they were surprised I said no, they dropped the trip with straight pay but only after talking to the duty pilot. Scheduling tried to tell me it would a personal drop without pay at first.Anyways, they tried to get me to bail them out of their poor coverage, nah. I’m not “self deviating” and taking less than min rest. Thanks for the offer though. Clearly not everyone is this intelligible.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
2018 was peak delta? From whose perspective? Shareholders were wiped out during covid and only now are above water but TVM bit them in the capital allocation shorts if they held. Customers are still lining up and we have more now and way more revenue. Management has the same industry pedestal and has gained handsomely since 2018. I'm making double what I did 8 years ago. The only metric or perspective you can claim is operational performance and A+ to A- is not the failing you think it is. This doesn't mean I don't think it needs fixing but chicken little is jealous.
You got more pay 8 years later for one you got more senior. For two, we got C19 signed. We got C19 signed thanks in large part of operational performance at the time preceding it.

Don't lose perspective here.
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