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Old 05-19-2026 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by KoolAid69
my buddy flew with a captain that missed his DH on a premium trip. Scheduling had him “self deviate” and he took the jumpseat on the next flight. Got his 8 hours of rest behind the door and was “legal”. He flew a 3 leg day the next day. I’ve had a similar situation where scheduling asked me to “self deviate” due to missing DH.. they were surprised I said no, they dropped the trip with straight pay but only after talking to the duty pilot. Scheduling tried to tell me it would a personal drop without pay at first.Anyways, they tried to get me to bail them out of their poor coverage, nah. I’m not “self deviating” and taking less than min rest. Thanks for the offer though. Clearly not everyone is this intelligible.
I'm not surprised that some people should do this but it's so stunning that a Captain would be so ignorant of the contract that they'd do this
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Old 05-19-2026 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I'm not surprised that some people should do this but it's so stunning that a Captain would be so ignorant of the contract that they'd do this
yup, they’re blinded by greed at that point. Junior captain and clearly don’t know the contract
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Old 05-19-2026 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
2018 was peak delta? From whose perspective? Shareholders were wiped out during covid and only now are above water but TVM bit them in the capital allocation shorts if they held. Customers are still lining up and we have more now and way more revenue. Management has the same industry pedestal and has gained handsomely since 2018. I'm making double what I did 8 years ago. The only metric or perspective you can claim is operational performance and A+ to A- is not the failing you think it is. This doesn't mean I don't think it needs fixing but chicken little is jealous.
Seeing as though the URL is not airlineshareholderforum.com, I’d say from our perspective….

Do you dispute that from our perspective, the operation was peak or near-peak in 2018? Heck, even 2015 or 16 had a Profit sharing of 16% (though admittedly, the number of employees does dilute the post-covid PS %, since they hired 20,000 more people). Even management would probably say 2019 was peak.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 05:06 PM
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Every airline I’ve flown at it was a huge no no with ALPA to volunteer for a jumpseat for an actual assigned rotation instead of having the company book you a seat in back per the contract.

The jumpseat exists for commuters, it’s not an extra seat for the company to assign on a full flight.


I thought everyone this? Maybe I’m misreading this.

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Old 05-19-2026 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Every airline I’ve flown at it was a huge no no with ALPA to volunteer for a jumpseat for an actual assigned rotation instead of having the company book you a seat in back per the contract.

The jumpseat exists for commuters, it’s not an extra seat for the company to assign on a full flight.


I thought everyone this? Maybe I’m misreading this.
this is common knowledge for anyone that’s a commuter.. and usually the military folks are late to the party since they didn’t have fly at a previous 121. But again, “self deviate” so the pilot is doing it on his own and the company can’t claim ownership of the “legal rest” or booking him a DH in the jumpseat.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by KoolAid69
Got his 8 hours of rest behind the door and was “legal”. .
Ffs how long will it take for guys to understand “8 hours behind the door” is not legal. And hasn’t been for over a decade.
Old 05-19-2026 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
Ffs how long will it take for guys to understand “8 hours behind the door” is not legal. And hasn’t been for over a decade.
if you self deviate, you’re legal with 0 rest. You’re on your own basically and scheduling assumes you’re there no matter what
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Old 05-19-2026 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Every airline I’ve flown at it was a huge no no with ALPA to volunteer for a jumpseat for an actual assigned rotation instead of having the company book you a seat in back per the contract.

The jumpseat exists for commuters, it’s not an extra seat for the company to assign on a full flight.


I thought everyone this? Maybe I’m misreading this.
I agree wholeheartedly but to deploy semantics, the jumpseat exists for the FAA for their oversight responsibilities. We just get free access to it if they don’t need it.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by KoolAid69
if you self deviate, you’re legal with 0 rest. You’re on your own basically and scheduling assumes you’re there no matter what
Always think about how the mishap report is going to read.
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Old 05-19-2026 | 09:05 PM
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Self deviate. Self deviate? By request of scheduling?

I must not understand, because if thats what it sounds like that’s a “you are aware this is a recorded line?” and an ASAP from me for even being asked.
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