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Old 05-16-2026 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ancman
What you’re describing is management’s cost problem, not an operational problem.

With QS/IA+M7 and SC+M7, management already has adequate tools at their disposal to fix the operation. They simply don’t want to absorb the cost, especially on a permanent basis.

For RG, the quick deal negotiations were all about escaping AA/M7 at a discount. It was never about restoring the operation to him. I’m glad that it failed, as it means that the NC/MEC valued our leverage appropriately and held the line.

It will take RG and the rest of management longer to accept the fact that their costs are never going away, even if AA/M7 eventually changes.
Of course it's a management cost decision.

Where does the RES step of the coverage ladder happen again?

AA is what they want. They better do the calculus on that it's going to come with a hefty price tag.

Further this cancellation -palooza is a nexus. Staffing, coverage efficiency (a lack thereof) and rotation construction.

They arrived to this destination thru a series of really poor decisions. RG is not deft enough to figure a way out of it He's the bull in a china shop approach where what is needed is elegance and precision.
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Old 05-16-2026 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FyrePilot
I don’t know, but the company loves to brag every time they win an arbitration in their weekly updates.


Last arbitration the union won got everyone like 28 dollars.

So if I were them I would just take everything to arbitration until they get burned.
the company tends to settle things when they think they’ll lose. Take a look at how thoroughly we got basically everything we wanted with MiCrew sick/well calls, for example.

they can play with words but wholesale rejection of the PWA just won’t happen because it would cost them more than it’s worth.
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Old 05-16-2026 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FyrePilot
I am ready for the update from the union saying all the problems are solved and expect to look and vote on a TA next week.
That's clearly not happening, the weekly DALPA newsletter was more blunt than usual regarding the lack of urgency on mgmt's part.

My take is that Gumm is one arrogant, delusional manager.
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Old 05-16-2026 | 10:11 AM
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gotta wonder what berkshire hathaway is now thinking as they just yesterday announced a $2.6b stake in delta from a march purchase. only airline they purchased after years of vowing to stay away. something in the reliability, brand, customer rankings and no doubt amex relationship they liked.
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Old 05-16-2026 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FyrePilot
I expect them to just stop paying 23m7 and do whatever they want with AA and coverage ladder as soon as they have enough bodies to fill the holes

They will tell union to grieve it and it will go to arbitration in 3 years.
It's sad that we expect future violations. Why would we ever get another PWA if there's no confidence they will honor it? I'm farming the crap out of the entire PWA for the forseeable future because there is nothing taboo anymore.
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Old 05-16-2026 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 180ToAJ
Top notch post
I am also happy to see the NC/MEC is holding the line. It has all been pretty tight lipped this time around. While we all want to know what’s going on, I think the lack of chatter is a good sign. It sets a more serious tone. Based on the updates, it seems like we are in for a long summer.
A month of negotiations and we are impressed there aren't leaks? Wait until the NMB get involved... or the amendable date. Some people are clueless if they think anything can be gleaned after a month of early negotiations. SMH
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Old 05-16-2026 | 10:55 AM
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Tomorrow there is an ALPA family event at Falcon Field that will have several reps present, along with the NC. Given the fact that negotiators themselves are there, is something bigger at play with this event? What is the point of this besides your typical PUB?
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Old 05-16-2026 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by HTBH
Wouldn't this be a status quo violation at this point now that we are where we are in contract negotiations? Does it even matter? Genuinely asking the question, since I'm not sure the company even cares about that stuff and seems more than willing to take things to arbitration.
Yes, however a meaningful judgement against an airline that tries to control behavior (not just a trifle monetary penalty) hasn't happened in a quarter century and I can't think of an example for any major airline in section 6.
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Old 05-16-2026 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
Tomorrow there is an ALPA family event at Falcon Field that will have several reps present, along with the NC. Given the fact that negotiators themselves are there, is something bigger at play with this event? What is the point of this besides your typical PUB?
Thats been planned for quite some time though… Just a little different PUB than usual.

That said, I hope people will (respectfully) ply them for information, and gut feelings. Then PM me
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Old 05-16-2026 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Thats been planned for quite some time though… Just a little different PUB than usual.

That said, I hope people will (respectfully) ply them for information, and gut feelings. Then PM me
No, post it here!
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