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Old 05-17-2026 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
It doesn't matter because it is a minimum staffing formula. An insurance policy from the bankruptcy days. The company hires what it needs or think it needs and as long as the min box is checked the PWA is compliant.
I don't think anyone is arguing that it is compliant. Somewhere along the line someone decided it was a goal not a limit, and, well, you see what happened.
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Old 05-17-2026 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by HelloNewnan
No...I actually took a closer look at the paper. They haven't been accounting for the increases in vacation or training since bankruptcy.

If you look at the formula in the paper, a day of vacay or training is worth a pro rata of the ALV per day in the formula. That's about 2.7 hours per day. The real value is 4:35 for vacation and 5:00 for CQ, My guess is that those two make up the lion's share of absence days on someone's schedule. When you bid, PBS uses the real values, so it runs short of pilots.

If that's where they're running it, well, no wonder.
This is an excellent observation. I wonder if the new values for vacation and training were intentionally left out or unintentionally overlooked. Regardless of how it happened it should be corrected.
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Old 05-17-2026 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptKochblauch
how about all their self-inflicted disasters since you've been hired?

You cannot really think Delta is in a good place right now, can you?

It appears that peak Delta was also way before your time.
Peak Delta is right now. Simply put, it’s the most powerful airline in the world financially with its closest competitor $15B in market cap away. At the same time, Delta pilots, and the industry as a whole, is making all time highs (not considering inflation). I’m in my 20’s making $400,000+ to stare out a window with half the month off for 18% unelected 401k. No other career can match that.

Record revenue, profits, sales months/weeks, all time low debt levels, largest order-book (specifically WB’s) in history. We’re at the precipice of a growth wave that United was beginning coming out of COVID over the next few years. PWA drama sure, always will be from what I hear. But to pretend Delta is not at its absolute peak is objectively wrong- no matter how bad you want it to be true.
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Old 05-17-2026 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Ripinpeace
Peak Delta is right now. Simply put, it’s the most powerful airline in the world financially with its closest competitor $15B in market cap away. At the same time, Delta pilots, and the industry as a whole, is making all time highs (not considering inflation). I’m in my 20’s making $400,000+ to stare out a window with half the month off for 18% unelected 401k. No other career can match that.

Record revenue, profits, sales months/weeks, all time low debt levels, largest order-book (specifically WB’s) in history. We’re at the precipice of a growth wave that United was beginning coming out of COVID over the next few years. PWA drama sure, always will be from what I hear. But to pretend Delta is not at its absolute peak is objectively wrong- no matter how bad you want it to be true.
This is not peak Delta. We cancel more flights in a day than we would cancel in a year.

Peak was around 2018, no cancellations, optimizer wasn’t in full effect yet, it was a well oiled machine. I miss the trips I flew that year.
Old 05-17-2026 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
This is not peak Delta. We cancel more flights in a day than we would cancel in a year.
Yet still lead on-time rates, print the most cash, lose the least bags (literally every positive metric Delta leads). Gonna pretend these cancellations have been a permanent trend? Delta has lead it for years. Goes to show you even at Delta’s worse United and American are still inferior both operationally and financially.

Pretending the cancellation rate is anything but temporary is also a joke. It’s a big part of the reason I’m making double that of my counterparts at other carriers with GS/QS/IA with the same time off. Loving it. Also love how we will be the only ones I the industry getting PS this year- trade that any day for some cancelled flights. Those flights are such a blip on on the radar is won’t touch the bottom line or reputation.
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Old 05-17-2026 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ripinpeace
Yet still lead on-time rates, print the most cash, lose the least bags.. goes to show you even at Delta’s worse United and American are still inferior both operationally and financially.

Pretending the cancellation rate is anything but temporary is also a joke. It’s a big part of the reason I’m likely making double that of my counterparts at other carriers with GS/QS/IA with the same time off. Loving it.
Does a passenger care that we were 5 min early after they got rebooked on a later flight because their first flight was cancelled? No. But hey, your bags made it even though you got to your destination 4 hours after your original flight. Cool.

Premium flowed in 2019 too and we managed a much better airline. Lots of premium is a result of broken trips, constant IROPs, and understaffing. It’s not a good thing.
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Old 05-17-2026 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
Does a passenger care that we were 5 min early after they got rebooked on a later flight because their first flight was cancelled? No. But hey, your bags made it even though you got to your destination 4 hours after your original flight. Cool.

Premium flowed in 2019 too and we managed a much brewer airline too. Lots of premium is a result of broken trips, constant IROPs, and understaffing. It’s not a good thing.
Sure agreed, not good. But, it’s not impactful to the bottom line or reputation. It’s not “big” and “bad” enough yet for it to be anything than a hiccup. Do you know what percentage of those -temporary- flight cancelations are actually effecting Delta’s total percentage of pax? Essentially, zero. Every other pax is enjoying the better service, product, and reliability that is objectively better than UA/AA. It’s so overblown on this forum. Until we end a 10K filing being anything other than 1st place it would be wrong to concede.

Reminder. Cancellation rate is but a singular metric to compare against others. There’s dozens. I’m all about correcting the CF rate, but acting like the world is burning over one metric when Delta leads ALL others is insanity
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Old 05-17-2026 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Ripinpeace
Sure agreed, not good. But, it’s not impactful to the bottom line or reputation. It’s not “big” and “bad” enough yet for it to be anything than a hiccup. Do you know what percentage of those -temporary- flight cancelations are actually effecting Delta’s total percentage of pax? Essentially, zero. Every other pax is enjoying the better service, product, and reliability that is objectively better than UA/AA. It’s so overblown on this forum. Until we end a 10K filing being anything other than 1st place it would be wrong to concede.

Reminder. Cancellation rate is but a singular metric to compare against others. There’s dozens. Acting like the world is burning over one metric when Delta leads ALL others is insanity
The travel world has noticed. Flight Ops has noticed.

How many more weeks can we continue to be #6 and it affects our bottom line? You don’t know, I don’t know either. But it’s a bad trend. When the weekly updates even need to say we need to fix things, that’s a sign.
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Old 05-17-2026 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
The travel world has noticed. Flight Ops has noticed.

How many more weeks can we continue to be #6 and it affects our bottom line? You don’t know, I don’t know either. But it’s a bad trend. When the weekly updates even need to say we need to fix things, that’s a sign.
The world noticed an and everything now. Ones social media feed is geared to fear-monger. Hardly a reflection of what the “world” is holding under a microscope. Million things going on in our industry.

Yes agreed things to be fixed and it’s not a positive trend. Though, the trend really isn’t snowballing outside of what will be a rough Summer and cancellations will reduce afterwards reflecting flying demand. Hiring won’t fix it but will help soften the metric until a new TA. I am firm on the belief this temporary cancellation rate, clearly rated to PWA scheduling ladder, will not shake Delta’s financial position in the industry. A slight smudge in reputation? Sure, why not- but it won’t be anything industry altering.

Surely, Berkshires’s $2.6B vote of confidence (at our all-time stock highs) in Delta’s future must mean something to you?
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Old 05-17-2026 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Ripinpeace
The world noticed an and everything now. Ones social media feed is geared to fear-monger. Hardly a reflection of what the “world” is holding under a microscope. Million things going on in our industry.

Yes agreed things to be fixed and it’s not a positive trend. Though, the trend really isn’t snowballing outside of what will be a rough Summer and cancellations will reduce afterwards reflecting flying demand. Hiring won’t fix it but will help soften the metric until a new TA. I am firm on the belief this temporary cancellation rate, clearly rated to PWA scheduling ladder, will not shake Delta’s financial position in the industry. A slight smudge in reputation? Sure, why not- but it won’t be anything industry altering.

Surely, Berkshires’s $2.6B vote of confidence must mean something to you?
Buy low, sell high. He isn’t buying because we are at our peak.

Our coverage ladder is fine, it hasn’t changed much since C2015. We somehow managed to run a smooth operation when schedulers had to physically call a pilot to fly premium. I’m not voting on a TA that is concessionary. The company broke the coverage ladder, not the pilots.
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