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#1381
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We have five thousand more pilots than we did a decade ago. Everyone always talks about being undermanned, but we’re actually just overextended. We are trying to do more flying than we’re manned for, which has happened when we had 12k pilots and could happen if/when we have 20k pilots.
Just remember that management doesn’t want to pay pilots to sit at home. But what you need to fly a reliable operation…is pilots getting paid to sit at home. Their head-in-the-sand decisions have simply changed what sitting at home getting paid now looks like - it’s more expensive than it should be, and it’s also less effective at covering flying.
Delta could slash capacity for July-August and salvage operational metrics, get paying customers where they paid to be and when they paid to be there. But they won’t.
It’s going to be brutal on our customers, and lucrative for the pilots. Oh well.
Just remember that management doesn’t want to pay pilots to sit at home. But what you need to fly a reliable operation…is pilots getting paid to sit at home. Their head-in-the-sand decisions have simply changed what sitting at home getting paid now looks like - it’s more expensive than it should be, and it’s also less effective at covering flying.
Delta could slash capacity for July-August and salvage operational metrics, get paying customers where they paid to be and when they paid to be there. But they won’t.
It’s going to be brutal on our customers, and lucrative for the pilots. Oh well.
#1382
Buy low, sell high. He isn’t buying because we are at our peak.
Our coverage ladder is fine, it hasn’t changed much since C2015. We somehow managed to run a smooth operation when schedulers had to physically call a pilot to fly premium. I’m not voting on a TA that is concessionary. The company broke the coverage ladder, not the pilots.
Our coverage ladder is fine, it hasn’t changed much since C2015. We somehow managed to run a smooth operation when schedulers had to physically call a pilot to fly premium. I’m not voting on a TA that is concessionary. The company broke the coverage ladder, not the pilots.
The only way the #1, 2, and 3 position is ever upset regarding profitability is via merger activity w/ no divestments upsetting market balance and/or WW3. Neither is going to happen.
TA’s will come and go and this upset will be corrected like every other one before it. Thats the one constant is things improve after they deteriorate- this isn’t indicative of a permanent trend.
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#1383
We have five thousand more pilots than we did a decade ago. Everyone always talks about being undermanned, but we’re actually just overextended. We are trying to do more flying than we’re manned for, which has happened when we had 12k pilots and could happen if/when we have 20k pilots.
Just remember that management doesn’t want to pay pilots to sit at home. But what you need to fly a reliable operation…is pilots getting paid to sit at home. Their head-in-the-sand decisions have simply changed what sitting at home getting paid now looks like - it’s more expensive than it should be, and it’s also less effective at covering flying.
Delta could slash capacity for July-August and salvage operational metrics, get paying customers where they paid to be and when they paid to be there. But they won’t.
It’s going to be brutal on our customers, and lucrative for the pilots. Oh well.
Just remember that management doesn’t want to pay pilots to sit at home. But what you need to fly a reliable operation…is pilots getting paid to sit at home. Their head-in-the-sand decisions have simply changed what sitting at home getting paid now looks like - it’s more expensive than it should be, and it’s also less effective at covering flying.
Delta could slash capacity for July-August and salvage operational metrics, get paying customers where they paid to be and when they paid to be there. But they won’t.
It’s going to be brutal on our customers, and lucrative for the pilots. Oh well.
130,000/15.3M past month. How many of those 130,000 are fortress hub, CC/FF, and/or network captives that don’t have a choice? Even more so now that Spirit is gone.
#1384
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We weren’t competing for Spirit’s passengers.
We don’t really have the competition at our hubs like the UA/AA fight in Chicago. Who knows what DFW would look like if we didn’t abandon it.
Our profit sharing has been better, our metrics have been better. So to counter your earlier point, this isn’t “peak” Delta.
We don’t really have the competition at our hubs like the UA/AA fight in Chicago. Who knows what DFW would look like if we didn’t abandon it.
Our profit sharing has been better, our metrics have been better. So to counter your earlier point, this isn’t “peak” Delta.
#1385
We weren’t competing for Spirit’s passengers.
We don’t really have the competition at our hubs like the UA/AA fight in Chicago. Who knows what DFW would look like if we didn’t abandon it.
Our profit sharing has been better, our metrics have been better. So to counter your earlier point, this isn’t “peak” Delta.
We don’t really have the competition at our hubs like the UA/AA fight in Chicago. Who knows what DFW would look like if we didn’t abandon it.
Our profit sharing has been better, our metrics have been better. So to counter your earlier point, this isn’t “peak” Delta.
#1386
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#1387
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120-130,000 of Delta’s passengers have had their flight cancelled in the past month. Historically very bad. But, over the same time period the other 15.3 million passengers are getting where they need to go early relative to the competition.
130,000/15.3M past month. How many of those 130,000 are fortress hub, CC/FF, and/or network captives that don’t have a choice? Even more so now that Spirit is gone.
130,000/15.3M past month. How many of those 130,000 are fortress hub, CC/FF, and/or network captives that don’t have a choice? Even more so now that Spirit is gone.
Delta is my Golden goose. It’s been good to me. I have a great job. But I demand accountability from flight ops leadership the same way that I will hold myself accountable every day I’m flying the line.
#1388
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120-130,000 of Delta’s passengers have had their flight cancelled in the past month. Historically very bad. But, over the same time period the other 15.3 million passengers are getting where they need to go early relative to the competition.
130,000/15.3M past month. How many of those 130,000 are fortress hub, CC/FF, and/or network captives that don’t have a choice? Even more so now that Spirit is gone.
130,000/15.3M past month. How many of those 130,000 are fortress hub, CC/FF, and/or network captives that don’t have a choice? Even more so now that Spirit is gone.
You really have a poor grasp of reality
#1390
To be clear, Greg Abel is now the CEO of Berkshire Hathaway, and is calling the shots.
Warren Buffett already tried Delta, and soured on it. Abel could do the same thing next month.
What our resident kool-aid-mainlining cheerleader fails to understand is that public perception (and not his own feels) is the only thing that separates us from AA. Every cancellation, every bad passenger experience, puts a dent in the "premium" brand. It's under extreme duress, and unless it's addressed immediately, the revenue premium will dry up, the allure of the AmEx card will evaporate.
Spoiler alert: it won't be addressed.
Systematically/intentionally stealing money from their pilots sure isn't helping their cause.
There is no end in sight; at some point (and we may be there or at least close), the damage will reach critical mass. No amount of manifesting or gaslighting is going to help when this house of cards starts to fall.
Warren Buffett already tried Delta, and soured on it. Abel could do the same thing next month.
What our resident kool-aid-mainlining cheerleader fails to understand is that public perception (and not his own feels) is the only thing that separates us from AA. Every cancellation, every bad passenger experience, puts a dent in the "premium" brand. It's under extreme duress, and unless it's addressed immediately, the revenue premium will dry up, the allure of the AmEx card will evaporate.
Spoiler alert: it won't be addressed.
Systematically/intentionally stealing money from their pilots sure isn't helping their cause.
There is no end in sight; at some point (and we may be there or at least close), the damage will reach critical mass. No amount of manifesting or gaslighting is going to help when this house of cards starts to fall.
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