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Yesterday | 12:37 PM

#1511

tennisguru

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From: Pilot

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

Yeah.. whatever we settle on it's not going to please EVERYONE. Personally I'd rather be downtown in Seattle than in Bellevue. Love the long NYC also. Hate the long ATL and LAX. Should be in Redondo or even Long Beach. But I'm more concerned about the length. I think driving all the way to a "long" layover only to sleep for 8 hours, get up and get back in a skyhop for a 30-45 minute ride is pointless.

If I were PWA king I'd make the cutoff 13.5 hours. 12 is too short for most longer drives to eat and sleep, plus have a little bit of wind down/wind up time. 15 is too high because even with a bit of a drive you've got a decent amount of time to go out and do something nice (eat, walk around the city, etc). 13.5 strikes a good balance, and of course there'd always be some cities with their own individual cutoffs.

Yesterday | 12:53 PM

#1512

Gulfasaurus

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I think it's fine as it is. Most airport hotels are out in the middle of nowhere with no options except for the hotel restaurant and maybe fast food chains. I would be open to something broader like any layover under X hours should be within a 20 min drive to the airport, opening up non-downtown suburban areas with some decent amenities, but it's going to be hard to find specific language for that to satisfy everyone.

Yesterday | 01:02 PM

#1513

texas1970

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

I would like to make it 15..

the biggest problem is that our hotel committee has essentially no say in our hotels under the current PWA. The only say we have is in “exception” properties, where we don’t stay downtown for layovers over 12 hours. I think we should agree to more “exception” properties, but I do not agree with changing the cutoff. I think keeping our leverage in making sure any exception properties are actually good and near food options is important. We don’t need to stay at airport holiday inns 15 minutes away in the middle of nowhere, and you can bet that’s where the company would put us if they could.

Yesterday | 01:51 PM

#1514

Whoopsmybad

Can’t find crew pickup

Joined: Jun 2021

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

I would like to make it 15..

Hard pass. Very hard pass. Most airport hotels suck tremendously. Crappy gyms and severely limited food options.

Yesterday | 02:30 PM

#1515

All 5 Stages

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Originally Posted by Tanker1497

it would be nice to have a large survey on all things hotels and layovers.

The results would be conflicting at best. There's probably 17,000+ differing opinions. The Long Island City medium layover generated disdain when we had it, and lamentations when it was removed.

A5S

Yesterday | 03:05 PM

#1516

Extenda

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Originally Posted by All 5 Stages

The results would be conflicting at best. There's probably 17,000+ differing opinions. The Long Island City medium layover generated disdain when we had it, and lamentations when it was removed.

A5S

When I read this my first thought was “wait we had a layover hotel affiliated with that famous psychic lady?”

Yesterday | 04:14 PM

#1517

Tanker1497

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Joined: Aug 2007

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All 5 Stages

The results would be conflicting at best. There's probably 17,000+ differing opinions. The Long Island City medium layover generated disdain when we had it, and lamentations when it was removed.

A5S

Sort of like they are on contract surveys? In that case, why even get input? Nothing has changed significantly regarding layovers and hotels and short/long times in the 18 years I’ve been here. But a whole lot has changed with the number of block hours flown, layover times and duty periods. It certainly wouldn’t hurt to get some new and fresh ideas.

Yesterday | 04:38 PM

#1518

Khantahr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All 5 Stages

The results would be conflicting at best. There's probably 17,000+ differing opinions. The Long Island City medium layover generated disdain when we had it, and lamentations when it was removed.

A5S

We need to move it back to Long Island City, the current one SUCKS.