Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

In case you missed the chicken and egg thing. It's a pattern bargaining thing since all legacies are unionized. The pilots with your attitude will see the unions that are aggressive as setting the standard and the other unions suckling on the teats after you get the biggest nipple. The moderate unions will see their gains as bar setting and closer to on time ....and the aggressive unions come and get a "me too contract". Like I said both sides (if biased and myopic) can only see one side of that paradigm.



You do realize it's 2026 not 1926 don't you. I still support unions but 90% of the heavy lifting has been done by previous unions generations/contracts.



It's business. Like I suggested, don't personalize it and pick your battles. Seems like you want everything to be "THE BATTLE". I think that ultimately leads to just a really crappy work environment. Why the hate on Delta? Seems like they set the standard last contract cycle and the other majors came along for a "Me too" contract.........But now I can anticipate what your response will be...but, but but.....and back to the "chicken and egg" thing.

Two things can be right at the same time..... who is more right will be in the eye of the beholder because it's a really, really grey area.

Originally Posted by Puddytatt

Union membership in the US went up last year.

Originally Posted by Joe Bauers

So, what's the point of having a Union then?


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Originally Posted by Joe Bauers

So, what's the point of having a Union then?

Originally Posted by notEnuf

How much? How much as a percent of the workforce?

Rhetorical...

Here...https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-trump-assault

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

In case you missed the chicken and egg thing. It's a pattern bargaining thing since all legacies are unionized. The pilots with your attitude will see the unions that are aggressive as setting the standard and the other unions suckling on the teats after you get the biggest nipple. The moderate unions will see their gains as bar setting and closer to on time ....and the aggressive unions come and get a "me too contract". Like I said both sides (if biased and myopic) can only see one side of that paradigm.



You do realize it's 2026 not 1926 don't you. I still support unions but 90% of the heavy lifting has been done by previous unions generations/contracts.



It's business. Like I suggested, don't personalize it and pick your battles. Seems like you want everything to be "THE BATTLE". I think that ultimately leads to just a really crappy work environment. Why the hate on Delta? Seems like they set the standard last contract cycle and the other majors came along for a "Me too" contract.........But now I can anticipate what your response will be...but, but but.....and back to the "chicken and egg" thing.

Two things can be right at the same time..... who is more right will be in the eye of the beholder because it's a really, really grey area.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

In case you missed the chicken and egg thing. It's a pattern bargaining thing since all legacies are unionized. The pilots with your attitude will see the unions that are aggressive as setting the standard and the other unions suckling on the teats after you get the biggest nipple. The moderate unions will see their gains as bar setting and closer to on time ....and the aggressive unions come and get a "me too contract". Like I said both sides (if biased and myopic) can only see one side of that paradigm.



You do realize it's 2026 not 1926 don't you. I still support unions but 90% of the heavy lifting has been done by previous unions generations/contracts.



It's business. Like I suggested, don't personalize it and pick your battles. Seems like you want everything to be "THE BATTLE". I think that ultimately leads to just a really crappy work environment. Why the hate on Delta? Seems like they set the standard last contract cycle and the other majors came along for a "Me too" contract.........But now I can anticipate what your response will be...but, but but.....and back to the "chicken and egg" thing.

Two things can be right at the same time..... who is more right will be in the eye of the beholder because it's a really, really grey area.

Originally Posted by marcal

In my observation, the better our contracts have become, the angrier our group has become. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Originally Posted by marcal

In my observation, the better our contracts have become, the angrier our group management has become. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Originally Posted by FangsF15

[mod input] The value of unions and how they improve our careers is fair game, but APC is not the place to discuss the virtues or vices of capitalism, socialism, nor any other politically charged thing.