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05-24-2026 | 01:08 PM
#1601
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Are you saying they could replace 17000 pilots?
Btw, there is plenty of history of strikes who... were very determined... That didn't get PATCOd. NYC transportation unions and teachers in 2018 are the most recent examples I'm aware of. The Post Office also has a history of striking when they decide they need to.
I just can't never abide when people use PATCO as some kind of guarantee that will always happen for all future strikes. If they've gotten in your head that much, they've already won.
The USA has a long history of extremely hardcore and militant unionism. Some battles were lost, some were won. I agree we're losing the war right now, but it's not a lost cause
Speaking of which, just a couple days ago the LIRR train engineers went on strike and won 14.7% with 3 years of retro.
Btw, there is plenty of history of strikes who... were very determined... That didn't get PATCOd. NYC transportation unions and teachers in 2018 are the most recent examples I'm aware of. The Post Office also has a history of striking when they decide they need to.
I just can't never abide when people use PATCO as some kind of guarantee that will always happen for all future strikes. If they've gotten in your head that much, they've already won.
The USA has a long history of extremely hardcore and militant unionism. Some battles were lost, some were won. I agree we're losing the war right now, but it's not a lost cause
Speaking of which, just a couple days ago the LIRR train engineers went on strike and won 14.7% with 3 years of retro.
and I disagree about the US having a strong history of unionism. We have a very low % union workforce, some of the most hostile laws towards unions of any developed country, and outside of younger generations, many Americans have a negative view of organized labor.
05-24-2026 | 01:17 PM
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Exactly, ATC has been devalued significantly as a career after the patco strike. hard to argue that strike improved their profession.
If anyone in our industry should be striking right now it’s them.
This sounds well and good, but it glosses over the very real consequences of doing what you say. Illegal job action could easily result in all participants being fired as well as a large judgment against the group. Both have happened in the past.
we can’t get pilots to stop dealmaking… or to even take their hats off when the union asks them to and now you think you’re going to get a large enough group of pilots to risk everything to break the law?
we need an overhaul of all labor laws in this country, but one wildcat strike by one company isn’t going to change much.
If anyone in our industry should be striking right now it’s them.
You are kinda making my point here, if you're not willing to fight, to break whatever rules or laws are imposed on you to limit your ability to maximize your compensation for trading your life force for money then you're just willingly being a slave.
The capitalist don't care about you or your family, they're only concern is the bottom line.
The capitalist don't care about you or your family, they're only concern is the bottom line.
we can’t get pilots to stop dealmaking… or to even take their hats off when the union asks them to and now you think you’re going to get a large enough group of pilots to risk everything to break the law?
we need an overhaul of all labor laws in this country, but one wildcat strike by one company isn’t going to change much.
05-24-2026 | 01:18 PM
#1603
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they replaced 11,000 air traffic controllers.
and I disagree about the US having a strong history of unionism. We have a very low % union workforce, some of the most hostile laws towards unions of any developed country, and outside of younger generations, many Americans have a negative view of organized labor.
and I disagree about the US having a strong history of unionism. We have a very low % union workforce, some of the most hostile laws towards unions of any developed country, and outside of younger generations, many Americans have a negative view of organized labor.
They probably get 90% or more of the media coverage and are universally considered bad at their jobs, whether fairly or not.
05-24-2026 | 02:28 PM
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I'm mad RG and company are running our amazing operation into the ground, and you should be too. Also, I'm happy with our current contract but that doesn't mean I'm going to be fine with the rampant contract violations and mispayments, and neither should you.
05-24-2026 | 02:33 PM
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I'll follow that rule, but it sure is hard to talk unionism without being political because unionism IS political. It's class politics and infused with the laws of the country. Impossible for anything to not be political when it is inherently class politics and has laws attached to it.
05-24-2026 | 02:42 PM
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05-24-2026 | 04:16 PM
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I let the company know the same in a strongly worded comment in my employee engagement survey today 😎
05-24-2026 | 04:54 PM
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they replaced 11,000 air traffic controllers.
and I disagree about the US having a strong history of unionism. We have a very low % union workforce, some of the most hostile laws towards unions of any developed country, and outside of younger generations, many Americans have a negative view of organized labor.
and I disagree about the US having a strong history of unionism. We have a very low % union workforce, some of the most hostile laws towards unions of any developed country, and outside of younger generations, many Americans have a negative view of organized labor.
I had immediate family affected by this when I was a wee lad. So I read it.
Tricky, and outside the scope of APC.
We're a union shop and I'm a direct beneficiary of it. Go ALPA.
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