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Bill Lumberg 06-05-2012 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1205469)
Exactly right. But somehow I gather you would rather they pump and dump MORE without any of the protections of the 1.56 BHL.. Right now the ratio is 1.19. They can dump right back to that, and for some silly reason I do not see that as a better option. I would love for you to convince me that it is a better option to allow that.

Of course the part that seemingly ALWAYS gets left out in these discussions is the decline of the 218 50 seaters that will accompany this. At least you admitted there would be an additional NB aircraft on mainline.. And *sigh* again... if you would rather wait another 12 years to get rid of the 50s.. by all means vote no.

Do people think that the 150 50 seaters won't be replaced with those 70 seaters or 76 seaters? The 50 seaters aren't making money, but maybe the larger ones will on THE SAME ROUTES? Then throw in 88 717s.

Denny Crane 06-05-2012 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1205478)
Bump. Help!

I think shadow bidding is just that. If you get a trip over that time it will just be taken off your line. My understanding is you just bid normally but I've been wrong before!!:) I'd call up DALPA and ask them or, better yet, email one of the PBS guys. They should know. Bids don't close for a week or so.

Denny

johnso29 06-05-2012 11:05 AM

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Tomcat 06-05-2012 12:42 PM

Inflation
 
I just bought 2 gallons of Shermin Williams mid-grade interior paint for $61.14 including a 30% discount (normally over $86). As a 12 year 320 FO, It took roughly 45 minutes of flying to pay for this paint. We may be averaging 3% inflation, but it doesn't feel that low when I walk out of the store. I think we will be moving backwards years 2 and 3 of this contract with 3% increases (IMHO).

Carry on.

TC

finis72 06-05-2012 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by Tomcat (Post 1205591)
I just bought 2 gallons of Shermin Williams mid-grade interior paint for $61.14 including a 30% discount. As a 12 year 320 FO, It took roughly 45 minutes of flying to pay for this paint. We may be averaging 3% inflation, but it doesn't feel that low when I walk out of the store. I think we will be moving backwards years 2 and 3 of this contract with 3% increases (IMHO).

Carry on.

TC

Then without those 2 3% raises we would really be behind.

forgot to bid 06-05-2012 12:47 PM

Anybody got the numbers on where the 50 seat fleet will be at the end of 2012 without this TA? I'm looking at someones notes from the LCA and it's slated to drop by 33 or so airplanes.

If that is supposed to happen anyways you're looking really at a 100-115 drop in airplanes if the TA is signed or about the equivalent of dropping 80 CRJ-200s from the fleet on a seat basis.

johnso29 06-05-2012 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1205593)
Anybody got the numbers on where the 50 seat fleet will be at the end of 2012 without this TA? I'm looking at someones notes from the LCA and it's slated to drop by 33 or so airplanes.

I'd like to know where it's at after 2015. We keep being told there are 311 on contract through 2015. How many are lost after 2015?

TeddyKGB 06-05-2012 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Tomcat (Post 1205591)
I just bought 2 gallons of Shermin Williams mid-grade interior paint for $61.14 including a 30% discount (normally over $86). As a 12 year 320 FO, It took roughly 45 minutes of flying to pay for this paint. We may be averaging 3% inflation, but it doesn't feel that low when I walk out of the store. I think we will be moving backwards years 2 and 3 of this contract with 3% increases (IMHO).

Carry on.

TC

and we will be so much better off wasting away in section 6 ville for 2 years? Current PWA for 2 more years, no thanks.

forgot to bid 06-05-2012 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Tomcat (Post 1205591)
I just bought 2 gallons of Shermin Williams mid-grade interior paint for $61.14 including a 30% discount (normally over $86). As a 12 year 320 FO, It took roughly 45 minutes of flying to pay for this paint. We may be averaging 3% inflation, but it doesn't feel that low when I walk out of the store. I think we will be moving backwards years 2 and 3 of this contract with 3% increases (IMHO).

Carry on.

TC

There is a way to make more money.

If we had increased seating on the 82 seat jets to 82 seats, I mean 76 seat jets to 82 seats, we could've gotten more money, at least what was what I'm being told was mentioned at the roadshow.

[sarcasm]
So next contract we need to increase the seating on 223 76-seaters, maybe even swap the remaining 50 seaters for 63 more 76-seaters, and increase seating on all 286 to 82 seats. That way the jumbo RJ fleet of 325 goes up to 388 more profitable jumbo RJs.

That way, we get more money! Cool deal eh?

[/sarcasm]

CVG767A 06-05-2012 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1205597)
I'd like to know where it's at after 2015. We keep being told there are 311 on contract through 2015. How many are lost after 2015?

2012--331
2013--329
2014--327
2015--311
2016--254
2017--221
2018--195
2019--155
2020--111
2021--82
2022--38
2023--13
2024--0

From the DALPA roadshow handout


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