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Old 07-19-2012, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
While I'm at it, I was on SC at 0430- this trip ends at 2130 tonight. That's way over 16 hours, but the last leg is a dhd... how is this legal? Scheduling said it is since the last leg is a dhd, but that doesn't sound quite right...

I know at my previous company it would not have been...

It is. 15 hrs sked including a operated flight via PWA and no FAR limit
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog View Post
Bumping this because I don't see how it's legal either per Whitlow.
Whitlow does not apply to DH unless prior to a flight. As for post flight with no FAR defined flying you can go non-stop. Was on duty one time for 36 hrs at the end of a DH. There is no real FAR limit to that, only PWA.
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
While I'm at it, I was on SC at 0430- this trip ends at 2130 tonight. That's way over 16 hours, but the last leg is a dhd... how is this legal? Scheduling said it is since the last leg is a dhd, but that doesn't sound quite right...

I know at my previous company it would not have been...
If your flying ends before 16 hours, but DH is past 16 hours, it's legal, as ACL says. Doesn't mean it doesn't suck!

They're pushing the boundaries, boys! Time to hire.
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90 View Post
If your flying ends before 16 hours, but DH is past 16 hours, it's legal, as ACL says. Doesn't mean it doesn't suck!

They're pushing the boundaries, boys! Time to hire.

These boundaries will be pushed for the remainder of your career with the work rules in place combined with the retirements coming.
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:01 AM
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Whitlow does not apply to DH unless prior to a flight. As for post flight with no FAR defined flying you can go non-stop. Was on duty one time for 36 hrs at the end of a DH. There is no real FAR limit to that, only PWA.
Didn't know that. Maybe 80 should have called in too fatigued to be shoved between two fat paying pax!
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
NYC yesterday...



I've seen this before but can't remember where...



Oh yeah, now I remember. There is a nearly naked woman at the top there with some weird dogs, and a big fat marshmallow man coming down the road.
NYC was ugly yesterday. We've got crews scattered in hotels you've never heard of. Golden Touch was an hour late picking us up after we were an hour late....and my first room at the downtown hotel had two old Italians in it. I got another one.
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:37 AM
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NYC was ugly yesterday. We've got crews scattered in hotels you've never heard of. Golden Touch was an hour late picking us up after we were an hour late....and my first room at the downtown hotel had two old Italians in it. I got another one.
Which is why my phone rang at 0130 this morning on an x day with an inverse assignment.
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90 View Post
Phone rings...

Me: "Hello?" (I'm a little tired - been sleeping late in the day after an early morning turn)
Scheduling: "Hi, Elvis, this is Pat in scheduling."
Me: "Howdy."
Scheduling: "Elvis, I see you acknowledged your 6th short call tomorrow morning at 5:30 AM, but it's coming up as illegal."
Me: "Illegal?" (as I'm yawning inadvertently)
Scheduling: "Yes, so we're just gonna switch that to 10 AM, alright?"
Me: "OK"
Scheduling: "I'll show you acknowledged!"
Should have bid the ER in NY. If you're commuting you should commute to a better lifestyle. I sat as the plug on the 88 in ATL for a bit. It sucks!! Way more gentlemanly sitting reserve of the ER. A lot less legs!!
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90 View Post
Phone rings...

Me: "Hello?" (I'm a little tired - been sleeping late in the day after an early morning turn)
Scheduling: "Hi, Elvis, this is Pat in scheduling."
Me: "Howdy."
Scheduling: "Elvis, I see you acknowledged your 6th short call tomorrow morning at 5:30 AM, but it's coming up as illegal."
Me: "Illegal?" (as I'm yawning inadvertently)
Scheduling: "Yes, so we're just gonna switch that to 10 AM, alright?"
Me: "OK"
Scheduling: "I'll show you acknowledged!"
Should have bid the ER in NY. If you're commuting you should commute to a better lifestyle. I sat as the plug on the 88 in ATL for a bit. It sucks!! Way more gentlemanly sitting reserve of the ER. A lot less legs!!
What about 24-hour short call? Isn't 12-hour short call preferable domestically?
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